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    it's long been fashionable to complain about iTunes but I'll miss it to a degree, hopefully the replacement Music app will retain features and functionality. I don't really care about iTunes as a music storage program but would really miss the download store, if that goes away (considering the growth of streaming, it probably will eventually, if not now). Say what you will about feeding the evil empire of Apple but the iTune store has a stunningly enormous selection of obscure tracks and albums, many not available via Bandcamp or other services. or you can always go to discogs and buy the rare vinyl for $$$...

    I get the sense I'm one of the few people here who still cares about owning music, the concept of streaming seems great but rubs me the wrong way. I don't like how they pay artists royalties or the potential to be without any music if the service is down, my wifi gets fucked, etc. plus it feels like being held hostage, who's to say a service won't decide one day to jack up subscription prices or reduce service.

    I also get the sense that a lot of people here don't buy music at all, just live off youtube and maybe Spotify. I'm an old fucker, obvs.
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    I haven't bought music since I guess about 2001.

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    same

    i had a phase of hoarding mp3s from soulseek and blogs , there was definitely a satisfaction in chasing down obscure treasures
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    I'm not a collector in the least, my vinyl purchases over the past 10 years have largely been relegated to 12" singles in the $1 bins, or less than that from charity shops. but I still want to own things that I love.

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    i'd like to hear matthew woebot on this topic, but he seems to have wandered off again

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    Quote Originally Posted by sufi View Post
    i'd like to hear matthew woebot on this topic, but he seems to have wandered off again
    I saw him yesterday, him and Rupert Sheldrake!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sufi View Post
    i'd like to hear matthew woebot on this topic, but he seems to have wandered off again
    We talked about this actually. He said the reason history stops with grime is that is the last music to be released on vinyl. After that there is no magical artifact and without the magical artifact reality cannot be altered, material reality, doesn't change without the material fetish object being produced and inserted into the fabric of the real. After that we enter the virtual.

    (I'm extrapolating here somewhat)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    it's long been fashionable to complain about iTunes but I'll miss it to a degree, hopefully the replacement Music app will retain features and functionality. I don't really care about iTunes as a music storage program but would really miss the download store, if that goes away (considering the growth of streaming, it probably will eventually, if not now). Say what you will about feeding the evil empire of Apple but the iTune store has a stunningly enormous selection of obscure tracks and albums, many not available via Bandcamp or other services. or you can always go to discogs and buy the rare vinyl for $$$...

    I get the sense I'm one of the few people here who still cares about owning music, the concept of streaming seems great but rubs me the wrong way. I don't like how they pay artists royalties or the potential to be without any music if the service is down, my wifi gets fucked, etc. plus it feels like being held hostage, who's to say a service won't decide one day to jack up subscription prices or reduce service.

    I also get the sense that a lot of people here don't buy music at all, just live off youtube and maybe Spotify. I'm an old fucker, obvs.
    you don't own music if you have it as an mp3, unless, of course, you pay for it. which is very dumb unless it's some rare 1970s turkish folk or something on bandcamp.
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    I fell for the I-Pod hype around 2004 when I bought an I-Pod Mini, which was a decdent mp3 player (however the batteries were a bit crappy and it had no fm-radio which I missed back in the day) - however I never bought a single tune from the I-Tunes store. That was also the heydays of mp3 blogs and soulseek, so I got lots of mp3s from there.

    As for streaming I don't like it really, I get bad vibes from the fact I am connected to some server if I want to listen to some music I like, and if the company get's bought or folds, your "collection" (you have paid for) is possibly gone as well. I do use youtube as a "streaming service" in a way, though.

    As for buying music, I still do it - bandcamp mostly, and since I have this thing for outdates media (sort of) I currently buy cheap CDs from ebay and discogs and such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdform View Post
    you don't own music if you have it as an mp3, unless, of course, you pay for it. which is very dumb unless it's some rare 1970s turkish folk or something on bandcamp.
    nothing dumb about buying an mp3 of an otherwise impossible to find vinyl release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    it's long been fashionable to complain about iTunes but I'll miss it to a degree, hopefully the replacement Music app will retain features and functionality. I don't really care about iTunes as a music storage program but would really miss the download store, if that goes away (considering the growth of streaming, it probably will eventually, if not now). Say what you will about feeding the evil empire of Apple but the iTune store has a stunningly enormous selection of obscure tracks and albums, many not available via Bandcamp or other services. or you can always go to discogs and buy the rare vinyl for $$$...

    I get the sense I'm one of the few people here who still cares about owning music, the concept of streaming seems great but rubs me the wrong way. I don't like how they pay artists royalties or the potential to be without any music if the service is down, my wifi gets fucked, etc. plus it feels like being held hostage, who's to say a service won't decide one day to jack up subscription prices or reduce service.

    I also get the sense that a lot of people here don't buy music at all, just live off youtube and maybe Spotify. I'm an old fucker, obvs.
    I don't like Spotify either - as convenient as it is. I simply feel no connection when i listen to music off it. And the absence of that sense of belonging and transaction with fellow human beings that you get when you buy an object from them is some part of it. Largely it's just another brick in the wall that Silicon Valley is using to encase people in their egos. HOWEVER my children love it and they even like the social media aspect of it (bah!) and it is remarkable how learned people get using it! I would say as well that Spotify's algorithms are very impressive - and they must have a team of serious music geek dudes working out top old tracks.

    And Leo, as for being held hostage... just you wait until all other forms of music have been curtailed and everyone is dependent on streaming... they'll start hiking the prices up.

    I won't miss iTunes especially because I never got the kick out of buying mp3s/aacs that I did from buying records or even cds.

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