tried getting at this in the CHRIS OTT DISCORD SERVER crowl's in there, re:gorillaz, beck, fiona apple's 'tidal', soul coughing, other people brought up shit like citizen king's 'better days'. cibo matto and halcali were also mentioned tangentially but imo that stuff's miles better.
i think the common denominator is "rave but at comfortable alt rock mid-tempo" "hip hop but the voices don't trigger castration anxiety/make me feel like i'm being Sonned" "'nuum but it's accessible in cd-format at fye sam goody etc.". that's what makes it so much worse.
it's totally a gateway to the real thing for u.s. kids my age though like, who's moms and older sisters loved this kinda stuff.
it's similar to contemporary stuff third, carol and i have touched on around "i'll get out of rockism and into rap and club BUT IT HAS TO HAVE SOMETHING GOING FOR ME AS A ['sensitive', 'queer', invariably sheltered labor aristocrat and usually white] WHO CAME UP ON THE UNDERGROUND [which of course is overground]."
can't take it as it is w all the conventions that come w it, has to be qualified, already in your ballywick. Boards of Canada + their kids, Young Thug + his kids. soul coughing beck et. al. probably have Kids as well, someone in the 'cord mentioned cage the elephant and i thought from there of 21 pilots