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    'And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

    And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.'


    So along with Seth Adam was pumping out kids for 800 years!

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    Cain complains on being cursed: "my punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that everyone that findeth me shall slay me", which would be an odd thing to complain of if one were one of precisely four existing human beings at that point. God relents slightly and sets the mark of Cain upon him to let everyone know that he's not to be killed. But this whole exchange only really makes sense if there's assumed to be already a wider social order in which a fugitive and a vagabond is something that one can be.

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    Oh yeah good point.

    Looking into it on Wikipedia - I keep looking at these articles to check something and it's always absolutely facsinating, all the debates and the sources in other myths, etc.

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    See, Corpse, it's a good read, isn't it? Half the revelation is reading around the actual books themselves, their origins, context, etc.

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    This is a terrific thread, other_life and poetix came back at just the right time. It was divine providence!

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    The reactionary that I am I freely admit that I lover the Bible, or to be precise, parts of it (there are dead boring sections in it, too), but generally, a great book, covers so many timeless aspects of human life. For existance, the Tower of Babel is an awesome allegory for human hubris.

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    Smooth Landing by JH Prynne.

    There is a lie of the immortal
    which we wait for up here,
    up on the slab as on the nod,
    the vapours puff and disappear.

    And in the long run to give blame
    adds new spirit to the water-colour,
    in the famous heart-felt posies,
    which decorate the killer.

    Have you had enough? Just say
    justly that the hostage accuses
    himself, as he boils his egg,
    counting to where he loses

    hope of a softened future life,
    taking the rough with humour
    as a cataract, no less,
    whitens to peace without honour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    That's right. So for instance you have descendants of A&E 'taking wives' who haven't been accounted for in the genealogies
    it's supposed to be the genealogical pedigree of the jewish people, yeah? so not everyone can or would be accounted for. the jews and those they beefed with.
    i also get the sense that these names w outlandish lifespans are actually documenting the 'lifespans' of tribes by those names, kamal salibi says the same. even the "120 years" thing, it's a remarkable feat for a person in contemporary times to live that long. although ofc there are some (seemingly) fantastical/mythic bits ab lifespan and and life-cycle later in genesis and through the torah.
    maybe there is something to the 'conspiratorial'/'fringe' idea (luka you'll like this) that people used to live that long until a massive environmental catastrophe drastically shortened everyone's lifespans thereafter (the 'ancient nukes' idea. there's an entire poorly designed website too)
    or perhaps the jews are saying 'our ancestors were uncommonly long-lived, strong, and resilient'. which tracks
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    It says bless the lads and it means bless the lads.
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    i don't know, probably some marxist cultural theory or something
    https://manifestacionesoterica.bandcamp.com/

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    Oh you know what I was going to say you lot. When you find a really good passage type it up and post it here cos there is so much breathtaking stuff in here

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    I've not got to the breathtaking stuff yet lol

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    Excited to know this stuff is there though

    My favourite bit so far is Noah cursing Ham for no reason, like a bad dream, like Kafka's "The Judgement"

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    Wait until you see how Esau gets treated, or Aaron in Numbers. There is a lot of things that look unjust or simply baffling to us that are there to be accepted, how much is to do with the reaction of different sensibilities and context, and how much is part of the theological purpose of the texts is hard to tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    I've not got to the breathtaking stuff yet lol
    Disagree. What about the Raven and the Dove?

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    I was going to make a rule where you have to type it out and not copy and paste but I can't be bothered

    7 And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth.

    8 Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground;

    9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.

    10 And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark;

    11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.

    12 And he stayed yet other seven days; and sent forth the dove; which returned not again unto him any more.

    13 And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.

    14 And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried.

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