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    Default GENESIS: The Dissensus Bible Group.

    Having read up to the expulsion from the garden what impresses itself on me is how the Holy text brings the counter-text into being, and thus, I suppose, how God gives rise to Satan.

    It is there, between the lines, always present, the very nature of holy writ makes this necessary and inevitable.

    Paradise Lost is, as Blake pointed out, that counter-text, the advocacy of Satan.

    The opposition between knowledge and obedience also seems fundamental and unavoidable, written into the very nature of what is. I don't think this can be evaded. He-Who-Knows-What-Is-Best-For-You (and I don't doubt, actually, that He does) is in opposition to Experience. Experience is the road to death. The wages of sin is death. Again this is in Blake, part of what is folded in to Blake's notion of Experience.

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    i was thinking of this. we are told in so many ways in so many places that the true religion hinges on the discernment and knowledge of good and evil, and choosing the former over the latter. "run to every good and flee from every evil" (jewish) "love good and hate evil" (hermetic). we don't know shit fuck even less so as children.

    but it's da'at [knowledge] itself which problematises this and make it thorny, twisting, woven tightly together etc. it's not possible to delve into it without making errors, once you set out you inevitably stumble, there is evening before there is morning, there is a descent before/into the ascent... This Is The Power of Dialectics

    i think we could go on forever ab everything in b'reishis [genesis] but we should read along w the 929/tanakh yomi thing, maybe. i don't care that it's a zionist initiative, that comes w the territory and it's a good idea, besides (one chapter of the hebrew bible (w its book order and verse numberings, mind) a day).

    we could also wait to start a structured reading w simchat torah ['joys of torah', when the traditional reading cycle starts over] this year [evening of october 21-morning of october 22], and follow along w the weekly torah portions and complementary haftarot (traditional readings from the prophets + writings).

    the downside to this is waiting, whereas we could jump right into 929 since that doesn't end for another 3 years, anyway. craner and i it sounds like were both at shmuel alef/1 samuel anyway which is where that is right now (according to sefaria.org [killer resource]).
    the parashat ['sections' 'portions'] also does not cover the whole prophets + writings

    the obvious upside to waiting? sacred time.
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    It's on the way up but please understand you are literally speaking a foreign language here and if you don't translate it I can't communicate with you. I literally don't know what you are saying.

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    Who's actually reading Genesis then? Who's in?

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    Me, poetix, cranium, corpsey, other life, padraig (us)
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    I'll read it. My nose is blocked up and my head is wracked tonight, and the serpent ate my homework, so I won't get far.
    Αι ψυχαί οσμώνται καθ΄ Άιδην.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    It's on the way up but please understand you are literally speaking a foreign language here and if you don't translate it I can't communicate with you. I literally don't know what you are saying.
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    It says bless the lads and it means bless the lads.
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    i don't know, probably some marxist cultural theory or something
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    gabber terrorism is fun but not all the time, sometimes you gotta be sophisticated or sulky for the ladies.
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    I'm 100% in

    Got thru a big chunk of it awhile back

    Up to destruction of Sodom etc iirc

    KJV only tho, none of this modern plainspoken biz

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    Thanks for cooperating. I'm not waiting till October. I never wait for anything. It's impossible for me. I've got a malfunction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by padraig (u.s.) View Post
    I'm 100% in

    Got thru a big chunk of it awhile back

    Up to destruction of Sodom etc iirc

    KJV only tho, none of this modern plainspoken biz
    Welcome aboard.

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    One strong reaction I remember

    Old Testament God is a petulant asshole

    Always punishing people for breaking rules they didn't know existed, needlessly cruel, vindictive

    Abraham + Isaac, Moses, Job, Tower of Babel, etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    It says bless the lads and it means bless the lads.
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    i don't know, probably some marxist cultural theory or something
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    gabber terrorism is fun but not all the time, sometimes you gotta be sophisticated or sulky for the ladies.
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    You can see why they (or anybody) would think God is a cruel vindictive being, though. The Greek gods are the same, perhaps worse.
    Αι ψυχαί οσμώνται καθ΄ Άιδην.

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    Like OK its allegorical + reflects the culture (tough, warlike, insular desert/hill people) that produced it

    But still

    Its not the harshness, but the pettiness + insecurity OT Hod is depicted with. Like shouldn't this all powerful deity be above most of this, aloof?

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    Aren't most kings/rulers petty and insecure?
    Αι ψυχαί οσμώνται καθ΄ Άιδην.

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