barty's magical mumble rap roundup

forclosure

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Its not even so much the bratty "get out of my room" attitude of it that has me shaking my head its that aggravating metal dickhead smugness that at its core, it thinks it has such sophisticated refined tastes because it listenes to the kind of for a lack of a better term entry level Kerrang/metal hammer type of band that makes 2nd billing at Sonisphere over R&B (its always R&B for some reason) either that or its the soundtrack to one of them bleak provincial town pub raves set up by the olders where they get all the under teens and under 20s in together cause they dont want them out there breaking into peoples yards or shooting up gear and that..

Awkward lipsin to P.O.D.s "Alive" and that personally ive always sort of envied all them indie rock white lads who in the 2000s had the places where they looked for music curtailed to such a fine degree that they were able to be willfully ignorant of this stuff until some billboard article would be shared about how Slipknot has the number 1 album in the United States at which they all respond with the cry of "people still listen to that stuff?? how embarassing" and then go back to listening to fuck knows !!!, Clap your hands say yeah? People dont like to admit it but Peaches was hot for a minute imagine if she got a reapprasial now
 

sadmanbarty

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Young Thug- Big Racks


The first drowsy, ratcheting turns of a diabolical carousel. The ride of the reaper. The fairground chattering of lost souls.

Music that sounds like a child’s nightmare. Goosebumps. “Monsters”. “Slime” (Thug is able to transform his voice into audio slime with some of those ad libs)

Hallucinatory and delusional. Freddy Kruger crimson.

“I am the goat” Baphomet.

The synth sounds like the trumpet in Rosemary's Baby.

“Bible scriptures on my chest and shit”.
 

forclosure

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and you know what SURE you can say alot the reason it seems everybody seems to gravitate to this kind of blocky tacky shit is because the world is such a bleak place its like people cant handle nihilism anymore so they only want to deal with the pseudo-variant of it thats why an old My Chemical Romance album got back in the charts , its why the current hot 17 year old musician that apprently "zoomers" (hate that word) and 30-35 year old musos are falling for her, trying to find some desperate way to link this stuff back to Alien Sex Fiend when the reality is them lot dont care about any of that stuff and the frame of refference you should be more reachin for Marilyn Manson and fuck i dunno AFI and whatever

The Insane Clown Posse and Juggalos went from being dead obvious whipping boys to now all of a sudden being championed as like the last "real" subculture cause theyre on the FBI wanted list and they all believe in that base level egalatarian idea of them being a family woop woop n all that theyre out there at protests doing the thing that alot of chest beating arse eating socialists on twitter say we should be doing now all of a sudden we need to allign ourselves with them cause theyre brothers in praxis or some fart like that.
 

sadmanbarty

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21 Savage- Rap Saved Me


The instrumental creeps like a giant, silhouetted arachnid through a swamp in the dead of night. Its emaciated, brittle legs straining as it wades through clotting bog and marsh.

Metro's Future-voiced tag sounds emotionally aching and wounded. The agony of a fleeting apparition.

I actually tend to find 21 Savage himself a bit childish and embarrassing. A young Barty in his self-proclaimed cool club.

But then comes Offset like a frilly-sleeved musketeer ready to rescue us with his flicking and swishing verbal fencing. A whack-a-mole flow ducking and diving; atomised, agile and angular.

The way his Auto-Tune tremolo on the words “gone, gone, gone” resembles the stumbling string sample in the background is deliciously transhuman. “Life is the matrix” after all.

Offset has an uncanny ability to inject his lyrics with a mythological grandeur. “You keep the fire, but you aim at the moon, I get the fire and I aim at your noon” is Promethean. “We the wave and we big like typhoon” like Poseidon. “They biting my drip like a sabre” pantheistic. “Who is my neighbour?” biblical. “I live on the island I’m sacred”, a modern day Orpheus.

Quavo’s buildup is similarly a thing of legend. Mummified chants from the pyramids. A hymn from a long-dead civilisation. “Murmurs from a martian crypt” as rap pundit Sadman Barty put it.

His verse is outright heroic. Like the ascent of the spirit from the body to the heavens. Mohammad flow to Quds. An eschatological epic. That ascending melody line in the instrumental. Those mourning yet triumphant backing vocals.

Rap-ture. Salvation.

Rap saved me.
 

forclosure

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I suppose you lot are wondering why i know so much about, its because ive been around and exposed to it for a long arse time and the ironic thing is i dont like any of it and as far as im concerend alot of this reappraisal shit as i mentioned ages ago is only happening because all the young "hot" rappers like it and suddenly that old saying on how rappers have the worst taste in rock music now in demand for reevaluation what they were right all along or some shit,a trite excuse for some idiot who was into it when it was not cool to go back to it and try to wear it as some pathetic badge of honour as much as i get why some people felt when Lil Peep died that now was the time to talk about death and how we need to try to understand these go nowhere rust belt towns where all they have emo and barely pure drugs(which is very dangerously close to all that we need to listen to trump voter/white van man talk but thats for you man to dig into) but i know deep down alot of people dont give a shit not really anyway.

The mad thing is i know that there is SOMEBODY out there who sees all this and feels like this kind of overwrought teen angst shit is cultural appropriation, which makes me howl cause nobody wants to talk acutal cultural appropriation cause it usually leads back to "should white people have dreadlocks?" Azelia Banks had peoples attention for a minute especially because T.I. and Iggy Azelia did such a bad job defending themselves but afterwards people just found her too draining to deal with. Now you expect me to feel sorry for some conjured up teen with snake bites cause he feels awkward about all these 30 somethings at emo night and that Static-X doesnt feel as special as it once did fuck outta here
 

forclosure

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Last thing to bring up is that despite all this focus and yes some of this has permiated Britain and to a lesser extent Jamaica but at its core all this shit is American and America centered if it wasnt then explain to me why Mcfly or Busted aint a part of any of these conversations. (HELL wheres the Crush 40 reapprasial i know some of these people played more than one 3D Sonic game where them man at?)

As much as people bus jokes about magnets and shit there is no British equivalent to the Insane Clown Posse it doesnt exist here its why i feel weird even trying to give an opinion on em cause the fuck is there to contextualise them with, i get it alt people feel that their own subculture has failed them so they all retreat to pop music and celebrating all the female rappers and pop stars who are more military complexes than people.


Its like a pneumatic drill to the skull all this shit
 

forclosure

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The instrumental creeps like a giant, silhouetted arachnid through a swamp in the dead of night. Its emaciated, brittle legs straining as it wades through clotting bog and marsh.

Metro's Future-voiced tag sounds emotionally aching and wounded. The agony of a fleeting apparition.

I actually tend to find 21 Savage himself a bit childish and embarrassing. A young Barty in his self-proclaimed cool club.

But then comes Offset like a frilly-sleeved musketeer ready to rescue us with his flicking and swishing verbal fencing. A whack-a-mole flow ducking and diving; atomised, agile and angular.

The way his Auto-Tune tremolo on the words “gone, gone, gone” resembles the stumbling string sample in the background is deliciously transhuman. “Life is the matrix” after all.

Offset has an uncanny ability to inject his lyrics with a mythological grandeur. “You keep the fire, but you aim at the moon, I get the fire and I aim at your noon” is Promethean. “We the wave and we big like typhoon” like Poseidon. “They biting my drip like a sabre” pantheistic. “Who is my neighbour?” biblical. “I live on the island I’m sacred”, a modern day Orpheus.

Quavo’s buildup is similarly a thing of legend. Mummified chants from the pyramids. A hymn from a long-dead civilisation. “Murmurs from a martian crypt” as rap pundit Sadman Barty put it.

His verse is outright heroic. Like the ascent of the spirit from the body to the heavens. Mohammad flow to Quds. An eschatological epic. That ascending melody line in the instrumental. Those mourning yet triumphant backing vocals.

Rap-ture. Salvation.

Rap saved me.


funny you say all this cause when i gave this tape a listen 21 Savage was the one who i found kinda interesting cause i remember listening to his first 2 tapes and outside of beats he was as stiff as a board

also this was around that period where Metro Boomin turned superstar and despite making alot of beats so many of them sounded the same and were flat
 

sadmanbarty

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Kodack Black- ZEZE


The animistic inclination out in full force.

Material acquisition as apparitional. “Phantom”. “Demon”. Spectral reverb. Haunting backing vocals.

“I be dripping to death, I need a casket”. Like a pharaoh buried with his earthly treasures (Offset is in fact depicted as a pharaoh on the cover of ‘Father of 4’).

Resurrection. “Zombie”.

It’s also rich in aquatic iconography. “Ice water”. “Freeze”. “Pool”. The biblical “flood”.

Wealth imbued with Old Testament, spiritual majesty. “I’m more like David, Goliath running”.

It’s an authoritarian chic. A tyrant’s camp; “have you ever felt Chanel fabrics?”. The conflation of opulence with historical significance. Fascist’s preoccupation with Rome. Sadam painted as King Nebuchadnezzar. “I’m more like Ghaddafi, I’m not no Ghandi”.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Jesus that Zeze was a disappointment after the IG clip. All for steel drums in rap though.

Kodak is one of the best mumblerappers, also. Needs to stay away from those Migos chumps though.

Migos stain everything they touch.

 
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Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Hate SixNine, awful rapper.

Don't like Tory Lanez for that matter.


This is the best steel drum rap song ever (yes including PIMP)
 

sadmanbarty

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i'm also very much trying to create a narrative of mumble rap that excludes tekashi69, xxxtentacion, lil yachty, etc.

ultimately forge a delineation between mumble rap and soundcloud rap.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Fair enough, dont' want to get in the way

Obvs I couldn't let a thread pass without slagging off Migos though.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
i'm also very much trying to create a narrative of mumble rap that excludes tekashi69, xxxtentacion, lil yachty, etc.

ultimately forge a delineation between mumble rap and soundcloud rap.

I wish I knew what you were talking about.
 

sadmanbarty

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I wish I knew what you were talking about.

mumble rap and soundclap rap are terms that have sprung up in the last few years to describe the most recent generation of rappers.

these terms tend to clump together rappers that actually belong to two distinct groups:

1) one set of rappers rap about traditional tropes such as cars, guns, girls and lean. they tend to rap with hyper-fragmented, interlocking flows, they dabble in phonetic absurdism, they use auto-tune often non-melodically, pitch is often used in a way that neither resembles melody nor conversation and they have studio effects on their voices that aren’t typical for rap such as huge reverbs or chorus.

2) the other set of rappers often have a preoccupation with teen-angsty themes of suicidal ideation, self-harm, depression, etc. they don’t particularly or consistently exhibit lots of the rhythmic or sonic qualities i listed for the first group of rappers and will often be far more overtly melodic; outright singing as opposed to rapping.

i love the first group and don’t like the latter, i also happen to think that conflating the two isn’t very useful or accurate.

i’d rather the first group be called mumble rappers and the latter can be soundcloud rappers or emo rappers.
 
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