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    i'm just going to recycle some bits from Blissed Out

    it all fits

    texture > text etc etc

    Barthes rather than Virilio would be the apt go-to Frog Theorist


    thing is if you want wordy, lyricist-MCs there are plenty of them still out doing the more traditional thing, getting the rave reviews

    it's not a zero sum game

    this is like a whole new thing - MCs playing with voice rather than with language

    actually what i think might fit )in terms of more contemporary theory references) is some "affect theory" a la Lauren Berlant

    music as moods, vibes, emotional atmospheres, floating vague psychological states - but nothing so coherent as a worldview or narrative

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    Good to see an acknowledgement of the source. There is a loooong history of insane vocal noises in dancehall. I have an unfinished piece for Woofah 5 all about novelty Deejays.

    There must be more precedent in 80's.90's hip hop as well? Doug E Fresh, Gravediggaz, Shorty shit stain, beat boxing etc? What about Grime? Flirta D? Demon?

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    Emo rap. I kinda think this is objecnively terrible but I still quite like it, in large part 'cos it's such a deliberate challenge to rap's norms of masculinity. I wonder if the video is an attempt to speak directly to his intended audience - you can't more emo than incinerated goths. On a more meta-level I love this 'cos it's like no matter how long I listen to rap, just when I've written it off (again) as creatively redundant and boring it completely genration gaps and confuses me. AGAIN.

    The big glaring issue i take with emo rap is that its the way in for alot of former emo rhythm guitarists to make rap music but not have to deal with the "rap music culture" at large and just acumulate fans who feel like its the dream meeting of the dumb rock music they liked in their teens with the "cool" trap rap that they like now, i dont like Peep and its impossible for me to take a crew called "gothboiclique" seriously but ill admit that dude had the ear for melodies, was attractive in that gangly im sensitive,queer and socialist way that wouldve been hard to maintain once he turned 30 aswell as somehow found a way to make that fusion of sounds sound natural rather than unlistenable off the jump.

    Its the new age equivalent of those 30+ "nostalgic emo nights" that people of my age and slightly older dash to in droves to sing old Fall Out Boy songs to look over their teen angst wistfully reminice about the bad old days and just how bad those old days were to quote Jello Biafra. The whole thing is just strange and alienating to me .

    Its great for labels in a way cause they only have to deal with one musician rather than the whole "band" aspect of it all so they can just tour them like WWE do their wrestlers and it doesnt cost them as much

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    A while ago i heard on a podcast somebody bring up the idea of Lil Peep doing a collabo album with Will Oldham and my eyes almost lept out of my sockets cause that is exactly where all those guys wouldve gone.

    One call the mid 00s emo/indie rock staples have been stripmined and sampled and the novelty and nostalgia for 2006 is gone alot of those guys wouldve moved on to making really awful indie folk albums or some awful collabo album with whats his name from the microphones and other legends of "sad" depressing indie music

    not a fan of say JuiceWRLD but i can tell hes a rapper first with influences outside of rap than a rock guy looking to make rap music cuase its more "interesting" than guitars or something like that i cant see Wicca Phase ever going on Westwood to freestyle for an hour, not saying they need to do that but theres a specific thinking behind that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    Hate SixNine, awful rapper.

    Don't like Tory Lanez for that matter.



    This is the best steel drum rap song ever (yes including PIMP)
    nah no way


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    Quote Originally Posted by sadmanbarty View Post
    mumble rap and soundclap rap are terms that have sprung up in the last few years to describe the most recent generation of rappers.

    these terms tend to clump together rappers that actually belong to two distinct groups:

    1) one set of rappers rap about traditional tropes such as cars, guns, girls and lean. they tend to rap with hyper-fragmented, interlocking flows, they dabble in phonetic absurdism, they use auto-tune often non-melodically, pitch is often used in a way that neither resembles melody nor conversation and they have studio effects on their voices that aren’t typical for rap such as huge reverbs or chorus.

    2) the other set of rappers often have a preoccupation with teen-angsty themes of suicidal ideation, self-harm, depression, etc. they don’t particularly or consistently exhibit lots of the rhythmic or sonic qualities i listed for the first group of rappers and will often be far more overtly melodic; outright singing as opposed to rapping.

    i love the first group and don’t like the latter, i also happen to think that conflating the two isn’t very useful or accurate.

    i’d rather the first group be called mumble rappers and the latter can be soundcloud rappers or emo rappers.
    6ix9ine's in the first group despite being a "Soundcoud Rapper".

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    Barty, my friend, saws Simon Reynolds In he's boxers

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    He saw hes knees and thighs

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    Pianos become swollen droplets.

    A fist smeared in gelatinous blood, draped in magisterial gold chains and grasping between its fingers a glistening, freshly removed heart. Is this the triumphant climax of an Aztec human-sacrifice ritual or a darkly satirical reimagining of a black power fist? The guttural, agonized moans accompanying it suggest it could be either.

    Perhaps this is Toxcatl, the Aztec festival of the shaman god Tezcatlipoca which culminates in human sacrifice.

    Shamanism certainly seems at play. Hyperventilated throat singing as some form of ancestral channeling.

    “Wizard”. “Magic”.

    Simon Reynolds in his boxers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blissblogger View Post
    i'm just going to recycle some bits from Blissed Out

    it all fits

    texture > text etc etc

    Barthes rather than Virilio would be the apt go-to Frog Theorist


    thing is if you want wordy, lyricist-MCs there are plenty of them still out doing the more traditional thing, getting the rave reviews

    it's not a zero sum game

    this is like a whole new thing - MCs playing with voice rather than with language

    actually what i think might fit )in terms of more contemporary theory references) is some "affect theory" a la Lauren Berlant

    music as moods, vibes, emotional atmospheres, floating vague psychological states - but nothing so coherent as a worldview or narrative
    Who were the original musicians?

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    I just remembered AR Kane. Let's listen to them. I'm not sure I ever really did.

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    I just listened to that and I can 100% see where Simon is coming from. Very interesting and neglected avenue of conversation, while I was drunk and laughing bout Barty seeing him in his underwear

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