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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    But also as basic joy. As felt. What do you get from yaman mix if you stick it on?
    What I call cognitive obliteration, orgasnic psychedlia (check the dissensus framework)
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    Why does engineering get delibidinised?

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    Why does engineering get delibidinised?
    I said some clever stuff about this in the beyond soul thread. On my phone, so it’s a bit of nightmare trying to dig up quotes in old threads.
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    I see it got mired in weird Oedipal shit again lol sort it out

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    I just looked at my face I look like a fat retiired prince Naseem

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadmanbarty View Post
    music is increasingly pivoting towards manipulating stimuli for physiological rather than overtly emotional impact. skrillex, the rap trio who shan't be named, etc. are all physiological experiences/programming far more than they are emoting. they're closer to fairground rides or seizures.

    pivotal moments include:

    - the death of singing as rap was born

    - the raveolution

    - timbaland managing to turn rnb- the most soulful music- into an excercise of temporal distortion via manipulation of information velocity


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    it's ironic that james brown- the godfather of soul- pioneered the musical techniques that would go on to make soulfulness untenable in the modern age.


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    ad lib rap too.

    staccato has no corresponding emotion. it's not evocative of any feelings. can only be related to physically or in terms of information.

    can't say the same for harmonies, melodies or even lots of timbres (a synth pad's warmth is nurturing and cocooning for example)


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    music's increased rhythm-centricness killed soulfulness.

    funk- it's no coincidence soul stopped being called soul when it became rhythmic.


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    To answer the initial proposition of the thread:

    1) harkening back to older styles of music has an inherent emotional detatchedness that comes with it. It’s pastiche, there’s a degree of distance.

    2) as such it follows that genuine- or at least potent- emotional expression has to be done through modern forms and styles of music as they don’t carry the baggy age of being pastiche.

    3) increasingly since James brown, but really ramping up with rap and rave music- modern music has been centred around rhythnic ideas.

    4) rhythm often is processed far more in terms of movement or information than it is emotional. Even when it does conjur feelings, they’re not ones we’d consider ‘soulful’. Funkiness is about ego. Jittiriness is about anxiety.

    5) as such we are unable to use either modern nor old styles to create new soulful music.

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    Yeah right so what we need to do is take this stuff which is great and make it so it's not opposed to whatever third wants to do so we can start moving in a shared direction again... We are being bogged down here where we shouldn't be

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    So pointless and aggravating when I literally just want to do some work, no wonder it's driven me to drink!

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    What’s going on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    Yeah right so what we need to do is take this stuff which is great and make it so it's not opposed to whatever third wants to do so we can start moving in a shared direction again... We are being bogged down here where we shouldn't be
    Third loves all this. He said that quote of mine about janes brown was his favourite thing I ever wrote on dissensus. The thread about rhythms was inspired by (and features) the dem 2 track from his list.
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    Just seeing how that beyond soul thread ended up. Tower of Babel

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    Just seeing how that beyond soul thread ended up. Tower of Babel
    I see.
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    We’ve seemingly moved passes that stuff now
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