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    Ffs wrote a massive post here about my problems with Kubrick and it deleted. D'oh.
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    The rumours about there being 20-40min of footage removed by the studio after he died only adds fuel to the fire too.
    I dunno which is more tantalizing, 20-40 mins of "lost" Kubrick footage or Corpsey's lost diatribe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    We were aiming. For /20 drinks but they kicked us out out at 15
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    Quote Originally Posted by version View Post
    I dunno which is more tantalizing, 20-40 mins of "lost" Kubrick footage or Corpsey's lost diatribe.
    I'm curious about that too, since I really liked The Shining for basically the same reasons outlined in that tumblr post. I don't know anything about film though so maybe it would be over my head.

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    It wasn't a diatribe more an expression of doubt.

    Basically it comes down to everything Kubrick did being seen as intentional, and genius. For example, was he genuinely unable to depict people realistically, or was he uninterested in doing that, or was that part of his vision? Are the boring bits in 2001 deliberately boring?

    It was prompted by a recent viewing of Clockwork Orange, which was full of undeniably iconic imagery, editing, design, etc., but also full of tedious overacting and terribly unfunny comedy. I think there is a school of Kubrick worship which would turn these flaws and blindspots into just another aspect of the chess grandmaster's genius strategy. This is really the entire critical journey of Eyes Wide Shut. Seen as a turkey at the time and then over the years it becomes interpreted into a work of genius.

    Don't get me wrong though I think he was a genius. But watching Clockwork Orange I could see what critics like Pauline Kael held against him.

    My favourite Kubrick was Barry Lyndon, which I am superstitious about watching again because I fear I won't like it next time around as much as I did. When I watched it last time I thought it was practically the best film I'd ever seen.
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    End of the things I love about it is that the city isn't real it's a studio which makes it feel very strange

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    That's a good example of what I'm thinking about with Kubrick -

    At the time of release, critics slated Kubrick for shooting everything in a studio, the general view was that he'd become so isolated from reality that he could only make a very unreal film where the city didn't resemble a real city at all.

    But subsequently, Kubrick appreciators saw this artificiality as intentional and powerful, the critics had just missed the point.

    And I wonder if those appreciators are also apologists.

    OTOH naturalism isn't something he EVER went for.

    I should say that I haven't seen EWS for years and years but when I did watch it I liked it a lot. I particularly remember the scene when Sydney Pollack reveals that Tom Cruise ISN'T fantasising, it's all real. I always find those scenes where apparently benign people turn out to be evil very disturbing.

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    Literal-minded in its sex and brutality, Teutonic in its humor, Stanley Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange might be the work of a strict and exacting German professor who set out to make a porno-violent sci-fi Comedy. Is there anything sadder -- and ultimately more repellent -- than a clean-minded pornographer? The numerous rapes and beatings have no ferocity and no sensuality; they're frigidly, pedantically calculated, and because there is no motivating emotion, the viewer may experience them as an indignity and wish to leave. The movie follows the Anthony Burgess novel so closely that the book might have served as the script, yet that thick-skulled German professor may be Dr. Strangelove himself, because the meanings are turned around.
    http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/amk/doc/0051.html
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    As a Tom Cruise movie it doesn't rank up there with Mission Impossible 3,4 and 5. But it's alright.
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    Eyes Wide Shut is very clear-eyed about the way in which power always contains two aspects, simultaneously: excessive mystagogic staging and banal normalization are two sides of the same coin. In other words, in retaining Kreider's social-economic reading, we should not abandon the sublimely ridiculous hyperfictions of the Monarch conspiracists.
    I always use this film together with metropolis, the factory becoming the pagan God devouring sacrifices, as examples of these two dimensions being simultaneously true, the mythic and the quotidian.

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    Padraig L Henry - this was the infamous Padraig! I forgot that he came from alt.movies.kubrick

    Edit: wow, it wasn't just here:

    https://alt.movies.kubrick.narkive.c...rist-jew-hater
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