Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 123
Results 31 to 40 of 40

Thread: the pete tong value set

  1. #31
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Posts
    4,265

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by sadmanbarty View Post
    luke did point out to me the other month that i don't actually like dance music.

    because you grow up with the nuum you assume you love it, but actually if you take that out of the equation i'm fairly ambivalent to it.

    as for discourse, the only bits of music writing i've ever read were those reynolds wire pieces nuum pieces. don't need anything else really.

    I'd say I am also ambivalent about dance music but I am still enmeshed in it because I am very much an electronic music fiend. barring old concrete, can you really escape dance music if you are interested in sound synthesis? I doubt it really. like what would a non-dance electronic cannon from the last 40 years consist of? barring dancehall which is dance music really. maybe some crunk/dirty south but what else? I suppose a lot of post-rave stuff like experimental speedcore, modular synth experiments. but these are all informed by dance music.

    whereas with you (and excuse the generalisation) you're more about subtle dematerialisation but not machine logic as such or iconisation. you might like a synth lick on drill or those little click-y sounds but you wouldn't hugely be into basing your entire aesthetic around this. i guess growing up online a lot with mates all over the country i was exposed to squealing acid lines long before sixth form/uni.
    Quote Originally Posted by vimothy View Post
    I respect islamists

  2. #32
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Posts
    4,265

    Default

    and let's please avoid the 'i like music for picking up girls' wisecrack :P
    Quote Originally Posted by vimothy View Post
    I respect islamists

  3. #33
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Posts
    4,265

    Default

    one thing though, despite maybe me and you being more on the dot with current trends, someone like pattycakes genuinely believes in dance music as healing ritual. in fact i want to push people to confront their demons, fuck them up. which in a way is a kind of healing yes but not immediately so or not in that happening.
    Quote Originally Posted by vimothy View Post
    I respect islamists

  4. #34
    Join Date
    Feb 2019
    Posts
    12

    Default

    when youve got famously revolutionary qualities which apparently changed things in real time, for people experiencing events that allegedly couldnt have been imagined 12 months earlier, the sort of vitality of those qualities maybe cant be translated beyond the initial crash site that was actually lived through.

    one of my haggard ancient mates has a legitimate claim to have been saved by acid house, he firmly reckons he would have been a goner if not for the specific weekend release it brought, he would have been done in had he been forced to come of age in accordance with birds and beer oriented nights out without a bizarre asexual option that he found with raves. maybe that has a lot more to do with being sort of still in the closet at that point, but the visceral life saving quality tied into that music at that time for him doesnt seem like it could be passed on in that way after that exact period.

    i don't know if radio 1 piano house bangers have much to do with that

  5. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to kumar For This Useful Post:


  6. #35
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Posts
    4,265

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by sadmanbarty View Post
    one question this thread could ask is does the relatively pop reading of the nuum (and lots of other music) deprive you of, or dilute, the most revolutionary qualities about the music?

    i'm not sure it does. you could only listen to the big anthems and the bangers and i'm not sure you'd being missing much.

    when i first met luke i said that with 60's jazz all you really need is miles and coltrane. the others may be good, but they're ultimately superfluous.
    and yet if you only played anthems and bangers you'd probably treat it as a whim and a fancy, quickly move onto another genre with more stasis, be that rap, jazz or metal. a long arc (not per song) narritive you can hook into.

    anything but an anthem.



    the revolutionary qualities of the nuum aren't immediately apparent. if you wanted immediate with practically no antecedent revolution you'd be better off looking to concrete and possibly chicago acid. it's got as much to do with its post-revolutionary after effects. this is not to say nuum (or hardcore-jungle) were evolutionary, they were not. garage today is evolutionary, subtle static modifications.
    Last edited by thirdform; 24-07-2019 at 01:26 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by vimothy View Post
    I respect islamists

  7. The Following User Says Thank You to thirdform For This Useful Post:


  8. #36
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    820

    Default

    Orbital's "Chime" was a gateway for me, so if Tong signed them and put that out, I salute him.

  9. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to blissblogger For This Useful Post:


  10. #37
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Posts
    4,265

    Default

    there wasn't an entry point for me as i grew up with nuum music albeit the garage continuum but what really got me saying yeah this ain't standard pop dance music was acen life and crimes of a ruffneck.

    which I don't believe tong signed lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by vimothy View Post
    I respect islamists

  11. #38
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Posts
    4,265

    Default

    anyway i am not against crossover tunes or anthems. what i tend to be more averse to is dilution. I'd loved something like house crew euphoria nino's dream remix to get to number 1, not let me be your fantasy.
    Quote Originally Posted by vimothy View Post
    I respect islamists

  12. #39
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    North East London
    Posts
    5,998

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by sadmanbarty View Post
    one question this thread could ask is does the relatively pop reading of the nuum (and lots of other music) deprive you of, or dilute, the most revolutionary qualities about the music?

    i'm not sure it does. you could only listen to the big anthems and the bangers and i'm not sure you'd being missing much.

    when i first met luke i said that with 60's jazz all you really need is miles and coltrane. the others may be good, but they're ultimately superfluous.
    This is a bit like going to a town and wandering around vs having a very rigid, timed, "optimum order in which to see The Main Attractions" though.

    Maybe if you're not bothered or are pressed for time that makes sense. But it is those random hard to explain things, that are part of the joy of it all...

  13. The Following User Says Thank You to john eden For This Useful Post:


  14. #40
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    North East London
    Posts
    5,998

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdform View Post
    anyway i am not against crossover tunes or anthems. what i tend to be more averse to is dilution. I'd loved something like house crew euphoria nino's dream remix to get to number 1, not let me be your fantasy.
    My impression is that with something like drum n bass you end up with a complete stripping out of the polyrhythmic mania of jungle. Circa 2000 everything is very simple two step beats at 170bpm or whatever.

    And it's because all the big boys have gone round the world to big arenas and that is what works - there is an evolutionary process going on where things get flattened out.

    Maybe a crossover tune is the beginning of that process though. That might be an interesting one - jungle and drum n bass that hit the charts. You start with "Incredible" and end up with "Addicted to Bass"?

  15. The Following User Says Thank You to john eden For This Useful Post:


Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •