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    Unconscious minds run the world, largely speaking - at least in the sense that so many of people's actions/orientations are governed by considerations which seem to be beyond their conscious awareness. Obviously the current state of the world is a parable to this effect (well, if only it were just a parable).

    Bringing the material into awareness can often be really painful, if it is even possible. 'Easier' not to, except of course it isn't actually necessarily easier.
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    My brother described a dream he had where he was forced to fight his double and every time he damaged it, the same would happen to him.
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    is there a conscious?

    Our 'conscious' decisions are made for us by our unconscious. I suppose you might say that science transcends the mental biases it has identified, perhaps then there is only a collective conscious?
    Αι ψυχαί οσμώνται καθ΄ Άιδην.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    is there a conscious?

    Our 'conscious' decisions are made for us by our unconscious. I suppose you might say that science transcends the mental biases it has identified, perhaps then there is only a collective conscious?
    Yes, there definitely is a conscious.
    If there wasn't you wouldn't know it, but even to ask the question there must be.
    Are you alluding to the Libet experiment where unconscious processes precede action? It recently failed to replicate under more stringent lab conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HMGovt View Post
    Are you alluding to the Libet experiment where unconscious processes precede action? It recently failed to replicate under more stringent lab conditions.
    Nah, never heard of it.

    I'm alluding to the fact that our idea that we make any conscious decisions is potentially vulnerable to attack. Perhaps I'm merely muddying the waters - there exists something we call 'conscious' thought, even if our sense of it might be illusory. The unconscious is the tail the wagging the dog.
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    From my understanding, meditation is all about being awake to the "now", to being fully conscious ("Buddah" = awake) - but there's a paradox there in that attaining full consciousness entails the evaporation of the sense of a conscious self. Suggesting that to be conscious, you can't be self-conscious, and so where, then, does choice come in?

    I think you start to encounter all this stuff when you meditate -

    which is to say, i'm shit at it because i've not done it much but failing to do it is all about realising how completely out of "YOUR" control your mind is

    You have to furrow your brow and fixate on your breath to have "full" control over it

    DISLAIMER: I'm sleep deprived. Perhaps what I'm talking about is our sense of self, rather than our consciousness. But there's some sort of relation I'm blindly groping torwards.
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    my favorite thing the unconscious does is give me very mean word puzzles presented as interesting dreams
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    i don't know, probably some marxist cultural theory or something
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    gabber terrorism is fun but not all the time, sometimes you gotta be sophisticated or sulky for the ladies.
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    Corpsey is questioning the idea of consciousness as an actor not the idea of consciousness as an observer. Fundamental distinction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    From my understanding, meditation is all about being awake to the "now", to being fully conscious ("Buddah" = awake) - but there's a paradox there in that attaining full consciousness entails the evaporation of the sense of a conscious self. Suggesting that to be conscious, you can't be self-conscious, and so where, then, does choice come in?

    I think you start to encounter all this stuff when you meditate -

    which is to say, i'm shit at it because i've not done it much but failing to do it is all about realising how completely out of "YOUR" control your mind is

    You have to furrow your brow and fixate on your breath to have "full" control over it

    DISLAIMER: I'm sleep deprived. Perhaps what I'm talking about is our sense of self, rather than our consciousness. But there's some sort of relation I'm blindly groping torwards.
    You deffo get a weird sense of self from meditation. I think it kinda ruptures your sense of your self as a real thing, a solid object. It starts to feel less fixed, looser.

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    Perhaps the most startling and fascinating things about the unconscious or the Not-I is that it operates outside of time.

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    http://www.dissensus.com/showthread....ight=Harlequin

    Commentators from the conspiritainment crowd tend to interpret this stuff as consciously inserted symbolism designed to indoctrinate the viewer, humans acting to influence other humans at a subliminal level, and I'm sure that exists but I also think this stuff is the manifestation of actually existing forces/entities which acts through the individual

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