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    this song's about her boyfriend dying from a drug overdose, yet its visual presentation is this pop culturally-referential joke.


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    Am I just tying myself in knots trying to explain something that is explained by the nature of culture, where fringe elements (Sometimes) become mainstream?

    IDM would be a good example - the people making pop find a way to incorporate the glitches and dynamics of that music that (as nerds) they appreciate into music that more casual listeners can enjoy.

    You can boil the question down to - Why did RNB go "dark"?

    Tempting to invoke 9/11, the Internet, the looming apocalypse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sadmanbarty View Post
    this song's about her boyfriend dying from a drug overdose, yet its visual presentation is this pop culturally-referential joke.

    Wow, the moment when she sings about him she's doing a sort of faux heartbroken look. Weird.

    I love that song, btw, so I had to stop watching the video before it ruined it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post

    You can boil the question down to - Why did RNB go "dark"?
    this is part of the broader question of where the fuck did rnb go? when i was a kid all music was rnb. from about 2003-2010 rnb was the only music about. now it's completely disappeared.

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    It definitely lost its innocence. It merged with rap music.

    Usher used to make tender love songs. Now he makes vulgar songs about banging strippers.

    And also, you get these RNB songs now occasionally that are very heartfelt and accoustic and they seem like throwbacks to a more innocent time. Were the 90s and even the 00s innocent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    Wow, the moment when she sings about him she's doing a sort of faux heartbroken look. Weird.

    I love that song, btw, so I had to stop watching the video before it ruined it.
    I've got bored of vigilant citizen because he's just repeating a forumla with diminishing returns but a lot of the force of that project cane from foregrounding precisely these jarring incongruties, the sense of some hyperreal occult pageant being ennacted.

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    Occurs to me that this is a sort of sister thread to "why is ambient so popular now?"

    Ambient music vs Dramatic, epic, histrionic music
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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    I've got bored of vigilant citizen because he's just repeating a forumla with diminishing returns but a lot of the force of that project cane from foregrounding precisely these jarring incongruties, the sense of some hyperreal occult pageant being ennacted.
    "dramatic" in this context reads as a short form for "melodramatic", which is of course the opposite of naturalistic.

    it brings us back to the beyond soul paradigm. the obliteration of emotional authenticity in the popular imagination.

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    there seems to be a greater tolerance of obvious, calls-attention-to-itself artifice than in the Rock Era

    relates to that thing of how a lot of pop music has collapsed back into musical theater

    the way that the Musical, a once seemingly dead, mid-20th Century phenomenon, has come back as this zombie force as an actually popular form of entertainment - something that actual young people, kids, listen to and enjoy (Hamilton, La La Land, Dear Evan Hanson)

    some would say, though, that the supposed naturalism of rock etc conceals its own theatricality and contrivance - its stylization c.f. the method in acting, mumbling, quasi-conversational, Mike Leigh etc

    'realness' as just another set of conventions

    that there is a no form of performance that isn't stagy

    but certainly for my taste i find a lot of the current pop way too histrionic

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    Default histrionic hypocrisy

    ha i was looking up "histrionic" cos i vaguely remembered that its root is the Greek for actor and i spot this:

    "Histrionic personality disorder (HPD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association as a personality disorder characterized by a pattern of excessive attention-seeking emotions, usually beginning in early adulthood, including inappropriately seductive behavior and an excessive need for approval."

    sounds like all pop stars ever

    (as well as lots of other people)

    actually "histronic" is from the Latin - histrionicus, ‘actor’

    the Greek-sourced word i was thinking of is hypocrite - hupokritēs, actor

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    Quote Originally Posted by blissblogger View Post
    ha i was looking up "histrionic" cos i vaguely remembered that its root is the Greek for actor and i spot this:

    "Histrionic personality disorder (HPD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association as a personality disorder characterized by a pattern of excessive attention-seeking emotions, usually beginning in early adulthood, including inappropriately seductive behavior and an excessive need for approval."

    sounds like all pop stars ever

    (as well as lots of other people)

    actually "histronic" is from the Latin - histrionicus, ‘actor’

    the Greek-sourced word i was thinking of is hypocrite - hupokritēs, actor
    That seems to be a mass phenomenon today, though. Instagram-mad-disease.

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    this feels so unlike anything else coming out at the minute. confronted how primed I was to taking in pop as staged performance

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    Feels very post-Limmy that.

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    I'm not a huge fan of his comedy but I think what he's done on Twitter has been important. Shook things up a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    Usher used to make tender love songs. Now he makes vulgar songs about banging strippers.
    He went mad after he contracted genital herpes.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/451384...-helm-lawsuit/

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