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    During the Dematerialisation thread music journalist and author Simon Reynolds kept insisting we bring the discussion back to masturbation (something he has since denied). Out of respect and sheer bewilderment we ignored it at the time, but is a rather fruitful topic of conversation.

    The explosion of online pornography- and the presumably increasing levels of masturbation that it has ushered in- must surely have had some influence.

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    oh no.

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    do your part to save the planet.

    Pornhub is planting a tree for every 100 videos you watch

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    I also think no fap is used to boost aggression levels in proud boys
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    Quote Originally Posted by poetix View Post
    The evolution of NoFap has been interesting, I'd always assumed it was a "Master of your domain" thing about proving to yourself that you were stronger than your base sexual urges, with maybe an element of tantric semen-conservation mystic woo retrofitted to it. But the full redpill narrative hooks it into this pseudo-scientific story about gender and evolutionary psychology, with testosterone taking the place of Chi energy, and serving as the root of physical as well as spiritual vitality.

    It's quite neo-Victorian in some ways - Victorian masturbation panics were all about sexuality vitiating the health of the race, turning healthy males into vampire-drained, intellectually enfeebled shadows of themselves (while making women permanently-flushed hysterical nymphomaniacs). Like anti-semitism, it's really weird to see all that nonsense come back into fashionability.
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    (and actually Jews in the anti-semitic imaginary are basically masturbators, what they do to the health of the polity just is what masturbation does to the health of the body - an unregulated sexuality that corrodes everything it touches. USURA, etc)
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    it's been noted that pornography is often embracing the technological vanguard; vhs, online streaming, corpse's virtual reality wank pits, etc.

    i've spoken before about the 'tour of booty' series being the most potent artistic response to the war on terror in the last 2 decades.

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    i think all porn should be banned, it's terrible

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    Quote Originally Posted by yyaldrin View Post
    i think all porn should be banned, it's terrible
    morally or stimulation wise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadmanbarty View Post
    morally or stimulation wise?
    Aesthetically as much as for any other reason, surely? Atrocious costumes, lighting, sets, interior decor...

    All porn should be directed by Craner, and made to look like a cover shoot from his apparently extensive collection of Italian Vogue back issues from the late '80s/early '90s.
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    I've tended to find porn a predictably disappointing substitute for what I actually want when I go looking for porn, which is not (as it happens) sex, but rather fantasy. I don't know whether porn has damaged people's actual ability to have and enjoy sex with each other, but I think it's made a terrible mess of their fantasy lives, which may have a knock-on effect in the real domain.

    I have a sort of meta-fantasy of being able to conjure a sort of memory-palace of infinite sexual variation, like a Star Trek holodeck (specifically, a DS9 holodeck) where you say "computer, give me twelve short-haired girls dressed as pageboys, one of those ornate chairs used for oral sex, and Molly Parker circa 2004" and everything is arranged and materialized to your precise requirements. But actually imagining in detail what one might choose to do in that environment is somehow less interesting than exploring the abstract space of possible parameters. Nina once told me a story about someone she knew who collected porn in great quantities, whose chief delight seemed to be arranging his downloads in an extremely detailed filing system, everything classified to the nth degree. There's a never-fulfilled epistemic hunger behind it, I think. It takes you further and further away from the erotic particularity of this person, this situation, here, now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poetix View Post
    Nina once told me a story about someone she knew who collected porn in great quantities, whose chief delight seemed to be arranging his downloads in an extremely detailed filing system, everything classified to the nth degree..
    this thread was inspired tangentially by autecher, as 'masturbator' has become a cultural shorthand (excuse the pun) for some of the qualities i was getting at on that thread.

    masturbation is an inherently introverted thing to do (it arrises from either being rejected by or rejecting others company). its a safe space. a space away from shame. there's ritualistic element about it with a lot of people. the level of cognitive obliteration you attain through masturbation is far more than that with a sexual partner as you're far less self-aware.

    it has it's alt-right side to it. incels for example. online porn prying people away from social interaction, relationships, being productive.

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    wagner had a theory that nietzche's health problems were caused by excessive masturbation

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    Some of Autechre does seem to me like "exploring the abstract space of possible parameters", rather than making music as such. For me, the track Rae stands out for its actual prettiness, the sense of emotion at least hovering in the wings. But it stands out because those qualities are often very remote in the rest of their output.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entertainment View Post
    wagner had a theory that nietzche's health problems were caused by excessive masturbation
    nietzche is very alt-right. isolated and alone thinking you're enlightened and superior to everyone else. the appeals to the antiquated (thus spake zarathustra).

    his righting is these sort of emotional outbursts that guise as intellectual positions which is a very alt right thing.

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    Nietzsche, spunking: ECCE HOMO!

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