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    aesthetically, sonically, he's classical

    but in attitude he's romantic

    i.e. the Beatles included him on the cover of Sgt Pepper as a nod to intellectual, avant authenticity

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    it seems like there's multiple axes here that don't correspond, is what I mean

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    It all ends up being proper tunes eventually, doesn't it?
    turtles all the way down, bro

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    I'm gonna come down on the side of proper tunes too as it seems the broader of the two and I think the response carries more weight than the shock of the new thing. The latter can veer into novelty and remain a surface fascination whereas a great melody or hook hits you right in the gut and you like it because you like it.
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    but I do think about that, the power to shock, or rather to upend someone's view of the possible

    my go-to example is: I cannot conceive of any music that would blow my mind the way hearing Jimi Hendrix in 1967 blew some people's minds

    it's not about good or bad, or whatever (there are like 2 songs of his I'd ever want to listen to, and yes one of them is 1983 A Merman)

    it's that it was a totally new thing - the vocabulary of heavy guitars - that he invented

    not out of nothing, sure, precedents, but still no one else had done it, he did it

    like no one else did 4'33", John Cage did. no one else painted White On White, Malevich did.

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    in the end yeah it's all grist for proper tunes

    the final proper tune is the heat death of the universe

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    I find some stuff opens the door then makes itself scarce and other stuff opens the door then follows you through it, a lot of noise stuff being the former, someone like Hendrix or Aphex Twin being the latter.

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    have you ever visited a high-end, highly curated art museum and wondered: what infinitesimal % of human creative expression lasts down the ages? is remembered?

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    Quote Originally Posted by padraig (u.s.) View Post
    have you ever visited a high-end, highly curated art museum and wondered: what infinitesimal % of human creative expression lasts down the ages? is remembered?

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    remember that time in The Odyssey when Thetis asked Achilles if he wanted a swift death + eternal glory, or to live a long fruitful life + be forgotten?

    and he was like "proper tunes, bro"

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    yeah that's pretty dope, good look

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    Quote Originally Posted by version View Post
    You can't dodge entropy. It all ends up being proper tunes eventually, doesn't it? You even know what you're going to get from 'experimental' music now. It's become a genre in its own right.
    maybe. but I'm not thinking of it as cliched vs. novel--either side can be innovative or not. in the case of licht, making a 48 hour opera that's impossibly (in the most literal sense) grandiose would horrify a proper tunes person. whereas I hear about it and think "that sounds amazing" a classically minded person would think that no good could come of it: making something that long is obviously an insult to the audience rather than a gift. so to me you can identify some tendencies as one or the other regardless of many times they've been done before.

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    he was a weird dude

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    woah fuck a whole page appeared while I was typing that. im slow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by padraig (u.s.) View Post
    I find the classical/romantic dichotomy to be confusing

    like OK Romanticism valued "authenticity" over basically all, sure

    and "proper tunes" is authentic, sure

    but then it's also extreme, unknown, whatever vs. classical's restraint and tastefulness?
    forget authenticity I don't care about that

    I don't know what that quote was from I just googled "classical vs. romantic aesthetics" and thought it vaguely fit

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