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    I noticed on Facebook today Nina was bemoaning the lack of face to face interaction and linking it to some of the excesses of today's political culture and I'm sure there's some truth in that but it also makes you remember how good the Internet can be for certain kinds of discussion.

    When I meet Barty we don't try and impress each other by being clever we just have a laugh. Any time I meet Reynolds all he wants to do is have a few beers and talk about girls. I've known Craner since 2003 and we've never said an intelligent word to one another but online it works very differently.

    Not that it's impossible to have intelligent conversation. It happens. But usually the demands of conviviality take precedence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvuent View Post
    was going to post this in the autecher thread

    uses marvin gaye in a context that's opposite to what it "traditionally" suggested. if the original song was about physical intimacy this about dematerialized solitude and escapism. and this of course is one of the most influential producers of the decade.
    Funnily enough Marvin locked himself in a caravan in Belgium and wanked himself into psychosis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    Any time I meet Reynolds all he wants to do is have a few beers and talk about girls.
    as good a time as any to ask si once again to write his big sex essay.

    as much as he denies it, ALL of his intellectual and emotional energy for past year or so has been entirely dedicated to sex and wanking. if he could just admit that fact he could literally spunk out his masterpiece.

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    the cocoon also produces emotional disconnect and reduced empathy levels.

    drone warfare is carried out in bunkers by men on computer. people watching vulnerable young women exploited and abused in porn. 'fail' videos. beheading videos. luke said there's some video with a disabled boy drowning. etc.

    the abstraction of suffering.

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    once you have the choice to avoid the complexities and risks and relative open endedness of social interaction it's hard go back. Even online dating (I've not done it as it goes) presumably takes some of the anxiety out of it cos you know alright, they're in the dating pool, they're single, looking, they've vetted and approved of my picture and potted bio. You're not just going, fetch your coat love, you've pulled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadmanbarty View Post
    the cocoon also produces emotional disconnect and reduced empathy levels.

    drone warfare is carried out in bunkers by men on computer. people watching vulnerable young women exploited and abused in porn. 'fail' videos. beheading videos. luke said there's some video with a disabled boy drowning. etc.

    the abstraction of suffering.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7852206.html

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    For a very long time I was completely terrified of strangers and particularly formalised interactions, like ordering from a cafe. Sometimes, in particular circumstances, it comes back. I still can't do parties or anything resembling a party under any circumstances. There are certain types of people and certain social groupings that obliterate me. If I can't hang on to my self definition and self understanding and my own modes of interaction I drown.

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    It's a grim future. And a very likely one - where a handful of giga-corporations control millions of people via their smartphones and Alexa. The brave new world of Amazon, Apple, Facebook and Samsung. People not only want this, they can't wait. Give people "Convenience", and they'll trade ANYTHING for it.
    Last edited by firefinga; 20-09-2019 at 04:59 PM.

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    I like people but I'm very much an introvert. I'm the introverts introvert. The gold standard. I've just learned some tricks to survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firefinga View Post
    It's a grim future. And a very likely one - wehere a handful of giga-corporations control millions of people via their smartphones and Alexa. The brave new world of Alexa, Apple, Facebook and Samsung. People not only want this, they can't wait. Give people "Convenience", and they'll trade ANYTHING for it.
    It's convenience but also trading a relatively open ended, unpredictable interaction (with its inbuilt possibilities of misunderstandings and humiliation) with a standardised impersonal one. A reduction of risk.

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    interesting luka, why do you think you're introverted IRL but so vocal, eloquent and engaging here?

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    I was saying earlier in the thread I don't think online interaction is necessarily a degraded form of communication. I think it allows for things which face to face interaction makes difficult. I've always been vocal and outgoing once I'm certain of my space and I feel comfortable but I'm not one of those people who are immediately at ease in any room they walk into. Because I worked in hospitality for so many years I learned different tricks for taking some of the intensity out of communication, different ways of distancing myself. You stage a performance, make it a kind of game.

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    Meeting people from online is easy cos they already know who you are, what you do, how you communicate. So there's no period of having to establish that. You can carry on the conversation you were already in the middle of anYway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    I was saying earlier in the thread I don't think online interaction is necessarily a degraded form of communication.
    Any form of conversation has it's written (and unwirtten) laws. It appears though that online conversation (with it's micor-mutations over the years) has become the norm, and with face-to-face conversation/communication you have (had) all those nuances like gestures, looks etc which translate not very well into online "discourse".

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    Meeting people from online is easy cos they already know who you are, what you do, how you communicate. So there's no period of having to establish that. You can carry on the conversation you were already in the middle of anYway.
    this is also true for real life social interactions, once others get to know you. I guess we get to that point faster online, for whatever reason.

    the missing element is body language, the way a person says something. as we've also seen here many times, the written word can come across very differently from how it was meant, either/both in content and tone.

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