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    How do you intend to understand it without understanding what birthed it? The whole debate is dependent upon the past and things that already happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baboon2004 View Post
    Well exactly, and this is where the term 'magical thinking' is merited. The idea of a clean break with Europe is just that. It's all symbolic, and thats the problem - we are in a country obsessedwith symbolism since Empire, since symbolism is what sustained that idea of Great Britain while the reality was most peoples lives were shit. Its repetition compulsion, except the world has changed and Britain is no longer very relevant.
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    Brexit is nothing if not a nation trapped by its own image.
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    A delusional country. Perhaps any country that once led the world is doomed to spend history trying to restore that state of affairs in ever more pathetic ways, unless it can genuinely cast off its past (as with China, for example, though that happened over a very long period of course)?

    And paralysis may be part of that, as it delays the onset of reality.

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    That monologue at the end of Metal Gear Solid 2 becomes more prescient by the day. The one about everything stagnating once everyone can wall themselves off from reality and hang onto their own truths. Kind of ridiculous that a PlayStation game from 2001 was so on the money.

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    We're evolutionary creatures. Naturally attracted to activities that progress us at large, less attracted to that which progress us individually, and even less to that which progresses us individually at the cost of others. Exceptions aren't hard to come by of course. But maybe there's an idea growing somewhere in our intersubjective subconscious that we're starting to see the limits of how far we can progress as a race.

    Our addiction to economic growth is starting to look more and more like an unsustainable one. No land to explore or fertilize, nothing left to conquer from nature without dooming our planet further. The contradictions of technological advances becoming more and more apparant with each mention of social media mental health or spying iphones that undermine freedom and democracy.

    This has cultural implications. Tribalistic behavior maybe? If the only frontier left is taking from the next man, then it would seem natural to start reverting back to a more localized empathetic capacity. Increaing protectionism maybe? More people stopping to say, well what's the point then?

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    Anyone read this or know anything about Campagna?

    Technic and Magic: The Reconstruction of Reality

    We take for granted that only a certain kind of things exist – electrons but not angels, passports but not nymphs. This is what we understand as ‘reality’. But in fact, ‘reality’ varies with each era of the world, in turn shaping the field of what is possible to do, think and imagine. Our contemporary age has embraced a troubling and painful form of reality: Technic. Under Technic, the very foundations of reality begin to crumble, thus shrinking the field of the possible and freezing our lives in an anguished state of paralysis. Technic and Magic shows that the way out of the present deadlock lies much deeper than debates on politics or economics. By drawing from an array of Northern and Southern sources – spanning from Heidegger, Junger and Stirner’s philosophies, through Pessoa’s poetry, to Advaita Vedanta, Bhartrhari, Ibn Arabi, Suhrawardi and Mulla Sadra’s theosophies – Magic’s system of reality is presented as a specular alternative to Technic. While Technic attempts to capture the world at the lace of an ‘absolute language’, Magic centres its reconstruction of the world around the notion of the ‘ineffable’ that lies at the heart of existence.

    Technic and Magic is an original philosophical work, and a timely cultural intervention. It disturbs our understanding of the structure of reality, while restoring it in a new form. This is possibly the most radical act: if we wish to change our world, first we have to change the idea of ‘reality’ that defines it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by version View Post
    Anyone read this or know anything about Campagna?

    Technic and Magic: The Reconstruction of Reality

    We take for granted that only a certain kind of things exist – electrons but not angels, passports but not nymphs. This is what we understand as ‘reality’. But in fact, ‘reality’ varies with each era of the world, in turn shaping the field of what is possible to do, think and imagine. Our contemporary age has embraced a troubling and painful form of reality: Technic. Under Technic, the very foundations of reality begin to crumble, thus shrinking the field of the possible and freezing our lives in an anguished state of paralysis. Technic and Magic shows that the way out of the present deadlock lies much deeper than debates on politics or economics. By drawing from an array of Northern and Southern sources – spanning from Heidegger, Junger and Stirner’s philosophies, through Pessoa’s poetry, to Advaita Vedanta, Bhartrhari, Ibn Arabi, Suhrawardi and Mulla Sadra’s theosophies – Magic’s system of reality is presented as a specular alternative to Technic. While Technic attempts to capture the world at the lace of an ‘absolute language’, Magic centres its reconstruction of the world around the notion of the ‘ineffable’ that lies at the heart of existence.

    Technic and Magic is an original philosophical work, and a timely cultural intervention. It disturbs our understanding of the structure of reality, while restoring it in a new form. This is possibly the most radical act: if we wish to change our world, first we have to change the idea of ‘reality’ that defines it.
    I mean if one wanted to make a case that an interest in magic was tendentially a bit fash, starting with Heidegger and Junger would be the way to go about it.

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    fwiw I don't think reality is either effable or ineffable. Reality is at least partly effable, and we construct stable systems around the aspects of it that seem most effable, reinforcing them with condensed prejudice where effability is lacking. Reality is at least partly ineffable, not because of its intrinsic mysteriousness but more because the tools at hand for effing it aren't adequate to everything that can exist. I think that reifying that practical ineffability as some kind of intrinsic mysteriousness of things is a mistake; building a reality-system around that fetish is a worse mistake. We need imagination (as Phillip Pullman has recently been lecturing me, via the medium of fiction-with-a-somewhat-heavy-authorial-voice) to navigate the limits of our stable systems, to shake loose condensed prejudice, to be able to recognise and accommodate areas of experience for which we don't have a firm, commanding language. But reality is no more intrinsically conformant to the patterns of our imagination than it is to the patterns of our reasoning.

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    Well, maybe but you won't score yourself a book deal with that kind of prevaricating!

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    Have noticed that it's easier to imagine the physical properties of reality out of shape than the social and cultural properties.

    It's still comfortable to imagine a world with crazy monsters or that people that can fly or something, but as soon as you start to mess with the social composition of civilization, it becomes quite creepy and sinister in a different way.

    Even science fiction that's set in a different universe or dimenson altogether is almost always populated by a people with the social norms, we're familiar with.

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    Sometimes I feel this is the way it is

    Pale Interregnum. Moon disruption. Stage 2- usurp the programmer. The current state of knowledge allows only for acts of sabotage, commonly in the shape of intoxication, of more or less randomised result and necessarily of strictly limited duration.

    All our attempts have been merely speculative and experimental. As lone operatives lacking systematic and organised collection and comparison of data and consequently no way of tying cause and effect. We are in the pre-scientific stage, the stage of alchemy. In this way we expose ourselves to great dangers in the hope of great rewards.

    To speak plainly what we require is full control of the reality-field. G-O-D is, in this hypothesis, a function we can appropriate, but how? This is the great prize and as such is jealously guarded.

    The positions on the board have no permanence however, nothing here is fixed as the game is still in progress. The weapon which is effective today blows up in your hand tomorrow. What is road out today is dead end tomorrow. All freedoms are provisional and temporary. Continue to dispute the borders of the possible.

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    "the seer says 'no, not much time left for these escape attempts.
    in 10 years, who'll care? who'll even remember?...'"
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    It says bless the lads and it means bless the lads.
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    i don't know, probably some marxist cultural theory or something
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    gabber terrorism is fun but not all the time, sometimes you gotta be sophisticated or sulky for the ladies.
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    Dissensus is prone to magical thinking when it comes to politics and by and large they refuse to reckon with the fact that leave won a fair vote.
    Maybe cos they didn't.
    Also, I dunno if it's total paralysis because, due to the activation of Article 50 or whatever it is, there is a deadline so presumably we will be carried over the edge eventually. I think that true deadlock would be occurring if that hadn't been done, we (as a country) could carry on arguing about Brexit for eternity. Not that that might not be preferable to just crashing out.0

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