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    Britain more than most I'd say. This 'special relationship' mythology runs deep.

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    Different countries sieze onto a different aspect of Americana. In France for example it's jazz and comic books.

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    Britain's problem, if you see it as a problem, (I do) is an inability to separate our interests from theirs. This wasn't always the case. We didn't join the Vietnam war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    Different countries sieze onto a different aspect of Americana. In France for example it's jazz and comic books.
    The funny thing is, the French were, at least in the 19th Century - the "brother nation" of the USA. They both had intertwined Revolutions and had an enemy in common: the Brits. At least for a few decades. The two statues of liberty and all that.

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    Which seems to have been trumped by an atavistic racial alliance (notwithstanding the fact that Anglo-Americans are just one strand among many)

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    Britain's problem, if you see it as a problem, (I do) is an inability to separate our interests from theirs. This wasn't always the case. We didn't join the Vietnam war.
    I'd go with that, and I think part of the attraction/glamour/confluence is the fantasy of being intimately involved in the affairs of the most powerful nation on earth. Britain can't get used to its real position in the world.

    Not always the case, but it has largely been the case since 1979.

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    And yet people motivated by this idea are about to render Britain more irrelevant in the wider world than it has been since probably the middle ages.
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    But yet more closely entwined with and subservient to America.

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    Exactly - the fantasy is kept intact for the short term. Britain is becoming an irrelevance, Brexit or no Brexit. Of course Brexit will accelerate the process massively, but it will allow the fantasy to burn brightly (for some people) before being brutally extinguished. Kind of terrifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    Which seems to have been trumped by an atavistic racial alliance (notwithstanding the fact that Anglo-Americans are just one strand among many)
    You could in fact see the political push towards white identity solidarity western chauvinism as part of a prelude to war with China, and overtures to Russia as being part of the build up to that confrontation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    But yet more closely entwined with and subservient to America.
    To the benefit of precisely no-one who doesn't own big shares in private medical insurance companies.
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