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    i thought it was fairly known that Robert Smith had his head turned around by Joy Division and that was led to Seventeen Seconds, and then the intense gloom of Faith and Pornography. i mean i could be wrong but that's how it felt at the time - those two particular albums being post-Closer.

    yeah Vini is definitely virtuosic in the extreme - but also an anomaly in that regard. And Durutti were pretty marginal then - i don't recall hearing that stuff until much, much later. in terms of the Factory line-up, it was Joy Division, and then A Certain Ratio quite a distance behind them, and then Durutti really quite a long way behind in terms of a prominence in the scheme of things.

    Fantastic records though. i wonder what i would have thought of them at the time - it might have been a little too exquisite and filigreed. By the time i did hear them i had also gotten into things like Jan Garbarek's Paths, Prints and Tom Verlaine and so forth. Getting into the noodly. Also the Cocteaus - i guess Robin Guthrie was a kind of guitar-hero, sort of, in his spidery, texturitis sort of way.
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    Were you into The Chameleons at the time?

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    Were you into The Chameleons at the time?
    they bypassed me i must admit

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    Quote Originally Posted by blissblogger View Post
    i thought it was fairly known that Robert Smith had his head turned around by Joy Division and that was led to Seventeen Seconds, and then the intense gloom of Faith and Pornography. i mean i could be wrong but that's how it felt at the time - those two particular albums being post-Closer.
    Again, we have different perceptions. I don't remember anyone ever saying that, nor hearing any real likeness between the two bands. And iirc Robert Smith said that it was playing with the Banshees that turned his head.

    Quote Originally Posted by blissblogger View Post
    yeah Vini is definitely virtuosic in the extreme - but also an anomaly in that regard. And Durutti were pretty marginal then - i don't recall hearing that stuff until much, much later. in terms of the Factory line-up, it was Joy Division, and then A Certain Ratio quite a distance behind them, and then Durutti really quite a long way behind in terms of a prominence in the scheme of things.
    Ah, well, we were very much into all the Factory bands at the time. Too young to follow Joy Division around (the first Futurama was the first time I saw them, I think), but for two years in 1980-82 we hitchhiked all over to see ACR, Durutti Column, Crispy Ambulance, and especially Section 25. (New Order too, but mostly because S25 were often supporting them.) As it happens the first music I "released" were bootleg tapes of Joy Division (with Vice Versa on the other side) and The Durutti Column (with some recordings off the mixing desk at Rafters that Vini gave me).

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    Fantastic records though. i wonder what i would have thought of them at the time - it might have been a little too exquisite and filigreed. By the time i did hear them i had also gotten into things like Jan Garbarek's Paths, Prints and Tom Verlaine and so forth. Getting into the noodly. Also the Cocteaus - i guess Robin Guthrie was a kind of guitar-hero, sort of, in his spidery, texturitis sort of way.
    Vini's first album is certainly very lovely, yes . Never much listened to The Cocteau Twins. I had a kind of resistance to Scottish post punk bands, brought on by disliking Orange Juice and The Associates intensely. Though with proper teenage inconsistency that didn't extend to the Fire Engines.

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    Were you into The Chameleons at the time?
    No, not at all. And checking them since hasn't improved my opinion either. Script of the Bridge is supposed to be a post punk classic, but I'm afraid I don't hear it. It just seems like a generic indie rock record to me.

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