It's not bloody hardcore techno, is what it is! It's like me making a noise jazz racket and calling it an ode to korn fans licking each others smegma in the PE changing room (primark set.)
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It's not bloody hardcore techno, is what it is! It's like me making a noise jazz racket and calling it an ode to korn fans licking each others smegma in the PE changing room (primark set.)
I mean this is my view, that it never really happened, save isolated incidents like amon duul housing people from the Baader–Meinhof group.
It's why I must admit I was quite infuriated with k-punks theorisation of acid communism where he wanted to make politics psychedelic. I found myself heavily nodding my head at Matt's criticisms of trying to rehabilitate a so-called counter-culture when most of its participants were hardcore right libertarians or (at the time, downwardly mobile middle class.) mmm good point there, I think the dregs of left activism are trying to reclaim some legitimacy with the yout dem without interrogating their historical failures. never say I am unreceptive to the conservative criticisms of liberal leftism, if formulated with sobriety.
However, had Mark broken with his labour party onanism (not to speak ill of the dead but it was essentially self-masturbation) he would have realised that trueskool psychedelia involves smashing the fortresses of all politics as symbols of an alienated, atomised and inhuman society. luke is quite right to note that politics is basically a developed form of tribalistic thinking, except because most of us are sedentary, the bonds break and it starts to dominate us rather than us dominating the organs that we have created to manage the affairs of a complex society.
quote from baba Engels:
and this one from baba karl:
I disagree with your dualisms here both. the problem is not that older dance music was not theoretical (I mean the afrocuban drum fills in disco/harder jazz funk disprove this for starters.) The problem is there isn't a theory. saying shit is fucked up, capitalism is bad is not theory, it's just guilt. if I were to accept your dualism as something self-evident, then I'd have to side with Lenin (not necessarily one of my heroes I must say) without revolutionary theory there can be no revolutionary practice. practical dance music on its own is jump up, EDM, etc.
I really wish this kind of white people are mathematical whereas non-whites are not dualism just not crop up on this forum, with all respects patty why do you always seem to inadvertently do this? I know it's not your intention and all but you could phrase things a bit better imo. I mean, muslims brought algebraic equations to the west, otherwise you lot would still be throwing ur shit out in plastic bags to decay in the streets
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I like Sophie because it's an artpop take on like bubblegum and happy hardcore whereas kate bush is like fucking opera and emily dickenson victorian shite, which i have no time for.
So I like Sophie because I put her in a continuum she probably shouldn't be in.
yeah but check tim reaper/globex. It's trueskool modern jungle done with intensity. but ultimately what's wrong with that? I know barty might perhaps scoff but following the whimsy of capitalist trends itself is an abdication of responsibilitty, just like deconstructed club referencing nuum where it's like they have listened to a 101 drum and bass hits or ultimate ragga jungle anthems compilation. the fact is, the hardcore continuum has always had more in common with the rare soul/rare groove/reggae digger continuums than some of its champions would be comfortable with admitting. proletarian aristocratism > bourgeois diversity.
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"Semioblitz" would have been brilliant as a title for a fucked-up future rave tune, with no exposition or explanation. Sad it's destined to wither in the art-blurb desert.
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
most "conceptronica" proper things self-evidently have some kind of theory, so a praxis model makes sense
it's probably true that retroactively applying it to older dance music isn't fair
i.e. as the article says the "politics" of dance music have traditionally been implicit, bar the occasional thing like UR (and even that mostly unrefined beyond an air of militancy)
"concept" would have been a better word than theory wrt older dance music, albeit like politics there may be implicit theory to some degree
i.e. "Is It All Over My Face" doesn't have theory in the way conceptronica does
but it is about libidinous energy, sexuality and gender identity (i.e. there both Male + Female versions of the song) and implicitly the underlying power dynamics
and in that way it definitely seems like a spiritual forerunner of a producer like SOPHIE
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
there's nothing "wrong" with Tim Reaper etc
they're a credible facsimile I guess. although you can tell them apart from classic jungle just by sound; for one, the drums are too clean.
I do ask, what's the point? there doesn't need to be one besides, as you say, enjoying it
but without a point, they make no case for themselves of themselves, outside the original
if a thing's only reason for existing is existing, what's the point
and they'll always be ersatz. they lack the undefinable part of what makes jungle proper so special. you can't just add the various parts up and get the same whole.
I don't need more jungle just to have more jungle. if you or anyone else is into it though, great.
they're a credible facsimile I guess. although you can tell them apart from classic jungle just by sound; for one, the drums are too clean.
I do ask, what's the point? there doesn't need to be one besides, as you say, enjoying it
but without a point, they make no case for themselves of themselves, outside the original
if a thing's only reason for existing is existing, what's the point
and they'll always be ersatz. they lack the undefinable part of what makes jungle proper so special. you can't just add the various parts up and get the same whole.
I don't need more jungle just to have more jungle. if you or anyone else is into it though, great.
self-evident liberal truisms aren't theory. by that logic I could make theoretical jump up.
Well, god only exists because it exists. no point to gods existence, to impute a point would make god a lesser being, demiurgical. similar with xen perception. no point for its existence. yet these have been a major player in world civilisation for at least 8000 years. not sure what your point is here? of course its not the original, it couldn't ever be, but music as surrogate sociology is a bit of a beatnik preoccupation isn't it? I don't really care for it. In previous eras, before capitalist industrialisation, contemporary music could be contemporary for 50-100 years. to me, free jazz and 60s musique concrete is still artistically/conceptually, still *contemporary* music.
I mean you can think that, I'm not here to indoctrinate you, if you want that go hang out with Ash Sarkar. but you haven't even contributed anything, instead just barged in. I mean, did you not even take the time to read that bit where I tipped my hat to Matt for making a constructive criticism of the counter-culture, from the right? clearly not, because your attempt here was to bully me for returning.
if you want undergraduate marxism, go and talk to the people in conceptronica. that's exactly the point me and Simon have been making. it's superficial anticapitalism. the social form determines the music not the other way around. go and organise a strike otherwise you'll be in the same bed with them. enjoy the sex.
It's just irritating and disheartening to see, time after time, threads that are developing and moving towards some kind of genuine realisation and comprehension, lose their momentum and become bogged down in exactly the kind of dialogue you've had with Padraig over the past couple of pages.
I'm not trying to bully you, I just think that all this marxist/communist ideology that you feel, for whatever reason, the need to shoehorn into every discussion and use as a reference point/explanation for literally everything, isn't really helping anyone and is actually holding you back from your true contributory potential on the forum. Honestly, I realise it must be difficult for you, but just try and follow Luka's suggestions and think through the themes and subjects discussed on here without resorting to relying on the crit-theory bollocks.
I'm not trying to bully you, I just think that all this marxist/communist ideology that you feel, for whatever reason, the need to shoehorn into every discussion and use as a reference point/explanation for literally everything, isn't really helping anyone and is actually holding you back from your true contributory potential on the forum. Honestly, I realise it must be difficult for you, but just try and follow Luka's suggestions and think through the themes and subjects discussed on here without resorting to relying on the crit-theory bollocks.
what do you want me to say? yeah man, maths sucks, concepts suck, theory sucks? ok, you've got it.
I don't want any kind of marxism!