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    What do you think of him?

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    inb4 Craner materialises and starts talking about Ghosbusters.

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    I read it (I don't think it was the full version) as a teenager so I can't actually remember anything about it except that I'm fully committed to loving it

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    What do you think of him?
    I dunno, I'm only just looking into him. I've currently got a paper open called The Linking Feature: Degenerative Systems in Pynchon and Spengler so I'll see what I can glean from that.

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    He was big for the modernists and later on for the beats (via Burroughs) of course it's frowned upon now

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    "Man has a tropism for order. Keys in one pocket, change in the other. Mandolins are tuned G D A E. The physical world has a tropism for disorder, entropy. Man against Nature... the battle of the centuries. Keys yearn to mix with change. Mandolins strive to get out of tune. Every order has within it the germ of destruction. All order is doomed, yet the battle is worth wile." -- Nathanael West (104)

    Written at a time when the orderly operations of the American business system appeared to have been laid waste by the most destructive of germs, these lines from Nathanael West's Miss Lonelyhearts (1933) afford access to the related visions of civilization's decay presented by Pynchon in Gravity's Rainbow (1973) and Oswald Spengler in The Decline of the West (1918–1923). My investigation of Pynchon's Spenglerian vision considers the nature of West's battle and asks whether it is worthwhile or even possible.

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    He looks pretty much how I expected.



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    Colonel Kurtz wearing Himmler's glasses.

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    In 1950, Theodor W. Adorno published an essay entitled "Spengler after the Downfall" (in German: Spengler nach dem Untergang)[17] to commemorate what would have been Spengler's 70th birthday. Adorno reassessed Spengler's thesis three decades after it had been put forth, in light of the catastrophic destruction of Nazi Germany (although Spengler had not meant "Untergang" in a cataclysmic sense, this was how most authors after WWII interpreted it).

    As a member of the Frankfurt School of Marxist critical theory, Adorno's professed project in this essay was to "turn (Spengler's) reactionary ideas toward progressive ends." Thus Adorno conceded that Spengler's insights were often more profound than those of his more liberal contemporaries, and his predictions more far-reaching. Adorno sees the rise of the Nazis as confirmation of Spengler's ideas about "Caesarism" and the triumph of force-politics over the market. Adorno also draws parallels between Spengler's critique of Enlightenment and his own analysis of Enlightenment's self-destructive tendencies. However, Adorno also criticizes Spengler for an overly deterministic view of history, ignoring the unpredictable role that human initiative plays at all times. He quotes the contemporary Austrian poet Georg Trakl: "How sickly seem everything that grows" (from the poem "Heiterer Frühling") to illustrate that decay contains new opportunities for renewal. Adorno also criticizes Spengler's use of language, which overly relies on fetishistic terms like "Soul", "Blood" and "Destiny."

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    He collected spores, molds and fungus, and tried to drill a hole through his head, which would've worked if someone hadn't stopped him.

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    I like that line about decay containing new opportunities for renewal. An encouraging way of looking at things, putting Spengler through one of those smile templates on FaceApp.

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    Hilariously bad on anything to do with science. Very weird about women. Pretty on point about most of the rest of the stuff he talks about, AFAIR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by craner View Post
    He collected spores, molds and fungus, and tried to drill a hole through his head, which would've worked if someone hadn't stopped him.
    He had part of a Slinky - but he straightened it.
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