Election incoming

[DannyL]

Looks inevitable now, set to be ruining Xmas. Any predictions?

[DannyL]

I reckon minority Corbyn government. Perhaps they'll win it even while losing seats. Lib Dems to take seats from Tories. Incredibly ugly scenes as Lib Dems and Lab slag each other in an attempt to govern together.

[Mr. Tea]

Hard to see any result for Labour other than a total wipe-out. Corbyn's army will no doubt both blame this on Ziono-Blairite wreckers and hail it as some great (moral) victory.

SNP will own Scotland again. I can see the Greens maybe taking another seat or two in England, as the only unequivocally anti-Brexit left-wing party to vote for. I suppose a few people will vote Lib Dem out of sheer desperation, but I still think they're too tainted by the coalition and there's very little love for Swinson among Labour voters, I think, even those who oppose Corbyn and Brexit.

Among Tory voters, the inmates are quite clearly now running the asylum, so I can't see Johnson's failure to bring the country out of the EU (or to achieve anything else) actually doing him much harm. It's like Trump's wall: never mind whether it ever actually gets built or if it works, it's the idea of it, the image, that's important to his base.

Edit: seems LDs have a fairly large chunk of support, actually: https://britainelects.com/polling/westminster/

[IdleRich]

I'll just say what I said on facebook

Very worried about the (almost certainly) upcoming election. I feel that in the country there is a majority to stop brexit and that the majority of people do want to keep out the hard right but infighting and uselessness, along with the way that the election confusingly mixes brexit with other issues, is going to result in the Tories in power for the next five years, able to deliver their evil agenda and the worst possible brexit. I think it's possible that Labour and Libs may get more seats than the Tories but I just don't trust the LDs - either party really - to do the right thing and join to fight the Tory scourge. Frightening and frustrating times.

In other words I fear the worst even though the best is possible. I just don't think we have the leadership to make it happen.

[DannyL]

The thing that makes me think Lab might do it -
all those ex-Lab won't vote/don't knows coming back as they've nowhere else to go
Genuinely popular policies - NHS etc
Most LD target seats are Tory, plus SNP have Scotland stitched up
Brexit betrayal seeing Tory voters go to Brexit party.

Against:
Low turnout as people are so fucked off with all of 'em
Failure to reach any swing seats
The Brexit stance - incoherent to say the least.

Genuinely don't know which way to call it. I do think the gap will fall once Corbyn gets back to his natural home, behind a megaphone shouting at the Tories. Not that I'm any more keen on him, I just think the chances of him losing big are overstated.

[DannyL]

I agree with Rich also. No strong and vocal anti-Brexit leadership within politics.
One thing that'll be interesting is to see how Swinson stands up to media scrutiny.

[DannyL]

Tweet here that's allegedly Labour strategy


https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status...76857469562887

Takeaways are they've given up on Scottish Labour. "Soft pedal on Lib Dems' - future coalition govt headed atcha. Funny to see 'em acknowledge the glorious leader is toxic on the doorstep

[Mr. Tea]

Tweet here that's allegedly Labour strategy


https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status...76857469562887

Takeaways are they've given up on Scottish Labour. "Soft pedal on Lib Dems' - future coalition govt headed atcha. Funny to see 'em acknowledge the glorious leader is toxic on the doorstep

"Do not mention that European Referendum topic, whatever it was called" - haha!

[subvert47]

The Brexit stance - incoherent to say the least.

1. negotiate soft brexit maintaining customs union and access to single market
2. put it to a confirmatory referendum with remain as the alternative option

dunno why people find that difficult to understand

1. respects the result of the original referendum (and is essentially what Starmer & Corbyn spent two years doing)
2. gives people the chance to say sod the whole thing (which a lot of Labour people would certainly campaign for)

[DannyL]

Cos for one thing how can you have access to single market and CUwithout without committing to freedom of movement? I think it largely arises cos Corbyn and Co want some kind of Brexit and the majority of Lab members don't.

[Mr. Tea]

1. negotiate soft brexit maintaining customs union and access to single market
2. put it to a confirmatory referendum with remain as the alternative option

dunno why people find that difficult to understand

Corbyn resisted calls for a second referendum tooth and nail, and then, after grudgingly accepted it, has fought tooth and nail against putting Remain as an option. Even now he openly contradicts his own cabinet members whenever one of them makes any kind of statement about Labour possibly, maybe, somehow, supporting remaining in the EU. So the party's official position is "neutral" regarding the greatest act of national self-harm in modern history, to which the vast majority of Labour MPs, members and voters are very clearly opposed.

And yet the barmy army still insist Corbyn "isn't a Brexiter". That is what is difficult to understand.

[Mr. Tea]

And he's still peddling this "jobs-first Brexit" horseshit, when it is quite clear that even a so-called soft Brexit, which nobody actually wants, is going to harm the economy and cause job losses.

[DannyL]

Yeah it's not like the internal negotiations to arrive at that haven't been fucking fraught.

I don't trust Corbyn not to completely undermine any ref should he get in. It'll just be "too difficult" for whatever reason.

[Mr. Tea]

Yeah it's not like the internal negotiations to arrive at that haven't been fucking fraught.

I don't trust Corbyn not to completely undermine any ref should he get in. It'll just be "too difficult" for whatever reason.

Sounds about right.

Let's say I'm prepared to be pleasantly surprised.

[DannyL]

This is good: https://capx.co/why-boris-election-g...ould-backfire/