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Thread: The Good Old Days of Neoliberalism.

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    The guy admitted to having voted Lib Dem - on Dissensus! Talk about balls of steel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    Good on Barty for holding sincere political convictions and having the courage to act on them, if you ask me. If only more young people were like him
    He'll learn.

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    You've become a terrible cynic Oliver Craner. You used to be so full of fire and passion.

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    "The last time I saw Craner was Barry in '68
    And he told me all romantics meet the same fate someday
    Cynical and drunk and boring someone in some dark café
    You laugh he said you think you're immune
    Go look at your eyes they're full of moon
    You like roses and kisses and pretty men to tell you
    All those pretty lies pretty lies
    When you gonna realize they're only pretty lies
    Only pretty lies just pretty lies

    He put a quarter in the Wurlitzer and he pushed
    Three buttons and the thing began to whirr
    And a bar maid came by in fishnet stockings and a bow tie
    And she said "Drink up now it's getting' on time to close"
    "Craner, you haven't really changed" I said
    It's just that now you're romanticizing some pain that's in your head
    You got tombs in your eyes but the songs you punched are dreaming
    Listen, they sing of love so sweet, love so sweet
    When you gonna get yourself back on your feet?
    Oh and love can be so sweet Love so sweet

    Craner got married to a figure skater
    And he bought her a dishwasher and a coffee percolator
    And he drinks at home now most nights with the TV on
    And all the house lights left up bright
    I'm gonna blow this damn candle out
    I don't want nobody comin' over to my table
    I got nothing to talk to anybody about
    All good dreamers pass this way some day
    Hidin' behind bottles in dark cafes dark cafes
    Only a dark cocoon before I get my gorgeous wings and fly away
    Only a phase these dark café days"

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    This is a good conversation topic. I'll add to it. What Barty said to me is that Blair's genius lay in understanding that you cannot govern without the consent of the rich. It's a non starter. Any coalition founded with the intent of taking power must, by necessity, include the rich. Business, banking, landholders. Then the game is to see what concessions can be gained from them, sometimes by persuasion, more often by stealth.

    He has a searing contempt for Corbyn as he considers Corbyn to be someone who hasn't learned this lesson. A Citizen Smith who seeks to build a coalition which excludes the rich and situates itself in opposition to the rich. He says that this is untenable in terms of winning an election, but more than that, is a bad way to run a country. "Unless" he said "you want to end up like Venezuela."

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    What does Arthur Brick think about this contentious issue?

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    The funny thing is that Labour under Corbyn isn't exactly "anti-capitalist" per se. The 2017 manifesto includes increases in tax for businesses and high earning individuals and some renationalization of infrastructure, but stops well short of abolishing the financial services sector (which is just as well, because the result of that would be mass starvation). Whether Corbyn, in his heart of hearts, is really an unreconstructed Marxist who wants to ban private capital altogether is not really relevant - although clearly that image of him is a big part of both his appeal to some people and the reason others are averse to him.

    What's also notable is that the heads of both Citibank and Deutsche Bank have indicated that they would prefer a soft Brexit under Corbyn to a no-deal Brexit, and I've heard that recent events that have made a Labour victory more likely have caused sterling to rally, not fall.

    This is why "follow the money, duh" doesn't, in itself, explain the Brexit phenomenon. The business interests that stand to lose out from a hard or no-deal Brexit vastly outweigh those that stand to gain. It's just that those that stand to gain include people like Farage and Rees-Mogg.
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    This was on before newsnight on the day labour announced the broadband nationalisation. Very fitting.

    A complete rejection of modernity, innovation, evolution. Just inanely sticking to something completely redundant in the modern world.


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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    Barty said to me

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    Dissensus is divided between those who think socialism looks like stencilled fists in the air, ak47’s, Molotov cocktails, riots, revolutions, John Eden in his khaki suit and ting and those who think it looks like a weasel-chinned bloke in an anorak calling people comrade.

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    When I showed Vimothy this thread he chuckled and said "neoliberalism is an ideology as quaintly outdated as socialism. A new beast shuffles towards Bethlehem."

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    This thread is a winner. I'm determined to get it off the ground. Assessing the legacy of neoliberalism and asking what, as vimothy puts it, is currently slouching towards Bethlehem to replace it.

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    1979-2008? I'm not very knowledgeable about this stuff. Get craner out of retirement.

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    It's another in our recent series of looking back threads. The 2010s one, the 20th century one. It's going to get spicy. Robust exchanges of opinion. Contentious statements. Controversy. Can't wait.

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