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    a few more thoughts, and points, on this one (courtesy of david katz):
    http://wayneandwax.blogspot.com/2005...e-science.html

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    More illumination courtesy of W&W. I think the Scientist-as-a-sonic-genius angle is given increased credibility, and that comment about Junjo being a bankroller and a mover and shaker (i.e. a producer in the JA sense of the word) with no musical talent is no less revealing.
    I must finally get my hands on that Katz book.

    Thank you Wayne, good to see you on Dissensus.

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    The plot thickens.

    Greensleeves come a cross as a bunch of ruthless bastards, and Jammy seems to be more than happy to perjure himself for the almighty dollar.

    Sickening.

    Check out the Mp3s.

    Dub Engineer ‘The Scientist’ Fears For His Life As He And Record Label/Producer Jah Life Receive Death Threat From King Jammys Henchman

    On Saturday, March 25th, 2006 West Indian Times was alerted by veteran artists and producers in the Reggae industry to the existence of 2 separate recordings of conversations which included death threats towards Dub Engineer Hopeton Overton ‘The Scientist’ Browne and Producer/Label owner Hyman ‘Jah life’ Wright as well as admission of perjury in a US court by King Jammys. One of the recordings is a conversation between King Jammys (a record label/producer based in Jamaica) and Dub Engineer Scientist who is based in America and the other recording is of a conversation between The Scientist and a man who stated that King Jammys was his boss.

    After listening to the recordings West Indian Times spoke to Browne and Jah Life to find out what led to the death threats. We were given history that spanned over 30 years in the music industry; history, secrets, facts that only a few are privy to. For now, we will share with you our readers the information we were given as to what directly led up to the death threats against Scientist and Jah Life.

    In 2003 The Scientist filed a law suit in the United States Federal Court against Greensleeves record label (based in England) and the company RockStar the makers of the game ‘Grand Theft Auto’ for copyright infringement. The Scientist had challenged Greensleeves for the recording and composition copyrights of five tracks which they used on the video game, Grand Theft Auto 3. The music was originally from one of The Scientist's albums that was released in the 80's entitiled 'Scientist Rids The World Of The Evil Vampires.' The Scientist’s music was included in the violent video game without his knowledge or consent. Greensleeves had made a deal with RockStar for the company to use the music by The Scientist and when Greensleeves was asked by RockStar if they had the rights to the music they said they did. Greensleeves indemnified Rockstar meaning they would be responsible for any costs incurred if there was a claim by any person stating that they had rights to the music.

    In the US court Greensleeves had to produce the documents that were signed with RockStar for Grand Theft Auto, they had to produce the shipping bill and all the information regarding pressing. Greensleeves also produced a document which was alleged to have been signed by a producer and marketing rep who represented both Jah Life (US) and The Scientist (Jamaica) overseas. This producer/marketing rep. was Henry ‘Junju’ Lawes. The document was signed in approximately 1978 and showed where Greensleeves paid Junju for music. They also produced a second document which was allegedly signed by Lawes around 1994 before he died. The second document signed by Lawes basically gave ownership and copyright of music by over 30 artists to Greensleeves. However, nowhere on the contract did it mention an amount that was paid for the copyright ownership. There was also a question in court as to the validity of the documents signed by Junju Lawes as he was illiterate and Greensleeves knew this, in fact both Jah Life and Scientist say that Greensleeves would not work with them, only through Jun Ju as they could get away with fooling him as he could not read or write. Scientist and Jah Life claim that this is why Junju was named as producer on over 30 + albums that he took to Greensleeves instead of them. Also, it was noted that both contracts had identical signatures, no deviation and even had the same smudge marks as though the second signature was cut and paste from the first contract.

    King Jammys Testifies For Greensleeves

    Since there were doubts as to the validity of the contract signed by Junju, Greensleeves had Producer / Record Label owner King Jammys travel from Jamaica to America to testify in court on behalf of Greensleeves and against The Scientist. In court King Jammys testified that The Scientist was a young boy of 14/15 years old and did not have the experience to engineer the music that he says he did. He also said that he, King Jammys was the boss and foreman at King Tubbys studio in Kingston where the work was produced and when The Scientist did any work it was on a ‘work for hire’ basis, you got paid for your work one time and you owned no copyright. The Scientist says this is not true and although he was very young, King Tubby trusted him implicitly to open up and lock up the studio as well as engineer the music. Unfortunately King Tubby is deceased and unable to verify this. However, Jah Life verified that what The Scientist said is true. Jah Life states that at no time was Jammys in the studio with them, it was only The Scientist, Jah Life and Junju’s brother ‘Melon.’

    Another artist, veteran DJ Lady Ann also spoke to West Indian Times saying that she was there in the studios most of the time with The Scientist and that he was the best mixing engineer of those times. Lady Ann said that King Tubby’s studio was the worst place in Kingston, she said you had to pass gunmen who would ask if you are PNP or JLP in order for you to get past and you had to answer ‘Musician’. Lady Ann said that Jammys (who was Prince Jammys at the time) would not go to the studio because it was too dangerous and she knew that Jammys was envious of The Scientist because of the trust and faith that King Tubbys put into Scientist. Lady Ann says she too is fighting for her royalties so that her children are set before she leaves this earth.

    Why Did King Jammys Lie?

    According to The Scientist, King Jammys along with Lynval Thompson are the only people who records show are paid by Greensleeves. Lynval Thompson is also a record producer. It is in King Jammys best interest to see that Greensleeves stays viable so he can channel his music through England. The Scientist is now a big threat and hindrance to Greensleeves and King Jammys because although the US Federal Judge and Grand Jury believed King Jammys story that Scientist was too young to have so much power and skills at that young age, and he had been paid ‘work for hire’ the company RockStar settled with him out of court and paid him for his works. They obviously believed Scientist.

    Greensleeves Responsible Party

    Although they did not have to pay The Scientist and give him the copyright to his music, Greensleeves was responsible for the huge bill that had been mounting up over a three year period. The expensive lawyer fees for themselves and RockStar and all monies paid out was their responsibility.

    Greensleeves recently sold their company.

    The Scientist now has a lawsuit pending in France against Greensleeves, and his lawyer Andre R. Bertrand is engaging in actions to obtain the payment of the legal remunerations due and payable to the Jamaican artists and musicians, including Jah Life and The Scientist, who were not compensated for their work.

    In France, the courts want to see an actual contract showing ownership they do not recognize the concept of work for hire. This will put Greensleeves in a serious situation because if they lose in court, they could face fines of up to 180,000 Euros per violation and a violation does not mean an album but a track. Not only that, but it would set a precedence for others to follow and be compensated for their work.

    The Death Threats

    Calls were made to The Scientist on Sunday, March 19th 2006 and he recorded them.

    Listen to them . They can be heard at:

    http://www.dubmusic.com/jammyslies

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    Quote Originally Posted by droid
    The plot thickens.

    Greensleeves come a cross as a bunch of ruthless bastards, and Jammy seems to be more than happy to perjure himself for the almighty dollar.

    Sickening.

    Check out the Mp3s.
    Holy crap. this is incredible. well believable, actually, but I'm amazed it surfaced. thanks for this, d.

    where is the original article? I want to cite it in a paper...

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    No worries.

    Original Article is here: http://www.westindiantimes.net/ent/etnws/92.html but the page is a bit wonky.

    Ctrl/apple+a to see all the text.

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    Default Hold that line , please ...

    'Plot' ... indeed.
    never a bad idea to record the conversations or screen those calls !

    On the production side of things :

    Re: Engineers . Any Studio large enough has an engineer on staff, sure they are not prolly paid enough
    but they are staff and are there to help out ... or more .
    The 'more' can be many things ,
    recording a vocal ('Rock Rock to the Planet Rock' vocoder by eng Jay Burnette, one example) ,
    hooking up that new device and making it actually work (thereby changing the whole sound of a recording)
    or finding 'that sound' the artist or producer is looking for - but doesn't know it until they hear it' ( the eng knows what sounds the Studio has , where they are or how to get them).

    Re: Producers . Yea , there are only a few 'Martin Hannett's' (nah, only one really) around,
    and I guess quite a few producer's totally depend on their engineers .
    When the team is right tho' it can be great .
    Proper credit helps if one cannot pay the eng special , make them a Co Producer' , etc.

    Re: ASCAP and music /Copyright laws.
    Sure , these mechanisms are far from perfect or even good , depending.
    Esp. the laws and pol's / public's ideas of what Copyright really does ,
    as usual the bigger the Corp. the bigger the grab.

    And I really luv how ASCAP went from paying for the last 3 years of one's works if filed -
    to only the last year (!) -
    welly well got to pay out for that full color 'member's mag they um 'produce' so what's 3 year's LESS money for the artists ...

    Last fall we worked up a version of the famous Christmas song 'Carol Of The Bells',
    (you all prolly know it , Victoria Secret used it during X mas season , among others)
    as one of our Pac Man related songs we produced.
    At the same time we were researching how wrote it , etc. and found this guy who had just returned
    from Ukraine where he was studying this one song and it's history.
    Turns out that the Ukrainian composer had written his version based on a folk tune , well ok so far .
    The one time it was performed in the US , an American composer heard it , added some lyrics to it
    and Copyrighted it in the US.
    So this guys pocket's , his Publisher's and whomever else got ALL the money made from the song,
    because he filed a CP.

    I REALLY wanted to release our version which was only based on the original melody music
    and dare the US publisher to come after me / us so we could point out that we were simply doing a version of the Ukrainian composer's music (and by extension, the original folk music) which we would have properly credited - and not the American composer's 'work' , just to see what happened.
    But alas I was working with a big Japanese Game Co. 's property and so it was too complex and a battle they didn't need to fight .

    One point being ,
    for the artists , engineers and some producers getting ripped off and screwed by the labels,
    their lawyers and in- between's is the usual course of things in the Record Biz
    and it's always been that way.


    Re: Recording your calls . Maybe 'illegal' to do so without telling the other party you are doing so,
    but as I rd in the book by one of the Beaver & Krause' guys , it worked with various threatening LA types
    who spouted crap like "You'll never work in this town again' when they complained about deal ends not being held up , etc.
    Of course, the story goes that then George Harrison took in one of those guys,
    heard his plans and the music for his new electronic music release -
    and simply went and copied the music and released it himself on his label.

    Maybe the Beatles' Apple will put that one on iTunes , some 'barristers' or decades away...

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    Quote Originally Posted by polystyle desu
    Turns out that the Ukrainian composer had written his version based on a folk tune , well ok so far .
    The one time it was performed in the US , an American composer heard it , added some lyrics to it
    and Copyrighted it in the US.
    And then there's the Hokey Cokey: http://www.langston.com/Fun_People/1996/1996ATA.html

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    jeeeeezus!

    the saga continues, e?

    amazing recordings...

    some favorite quotables from mr.brown:

    "you'll get a lightning bolt" // "you wasn't there jammys" // "you never mix none of them tracks there" // "is i mix everything" // "you know-seh you're lying" // "you gonna do me something?" // "who wan rob a dead man? greensleeves a 'rob a dead man' thing"

    gwaan scientist!

    not sure what will come of this - legally (or violently) speaking. probably good that scientist no longer lives inna JA, at any rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wayneandwax
    jeeeeezus!

    the saga continues, e?

    amazing recordings...

    some favorite quotables from mr.brown:

    "you'll get a lightning bolt" // "you wasn't there jammys" // "you never mix none of them tracks there" // "is i mix everything" // "you know-seh you're lying" // "you gonna do me something?" // "who wan rob a dead man? greensleeves a 'rob a dead man' thing"

    gwaan scientist!

    not sure what will come of this - legally (or violently) speaking. probably good that scientist no longer lives inna JA, at any rate.
    this'll make some good breakcore samples - hell, I'm tempted right now!

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    Sssshh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripley
    this'll make some good breakcore samples - hell, I'm tempted right now!
    oh yes there will be bootlegs...

    ...so who owns copyright of the phone recordings

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