if you mean like that roots manuva and ty album (cant remember what else was on that album right now), that was around the time when everyone in hip hop and R&B was sampling middle eastern and south asian sounds (timbo/missy, truth hurts, erick sermon etc etc)... its more desi beats than bhangra really (though theres overlaps there too).
Indian influences in the reggae 'nuum
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2 pages with no mention of Apache Indian? Also, Sly & Robbie's Reggae Bhangra compilations.
Supercat was half Indian IIRC.
Supercat was half Indian IIRC.
maybe a little offtopic, but one of the folks i stayed with in london circa 96-97 was well into something she called "bhangle", being a totally hyper and rinsing amalgam of bengali fast chat, subcontinental sound signifiers, and junglist breaks/bass.
homegrl had a fair few cassettes of the stuff, all of which seemed to come from the same shop on brick lane.
anyone know where i might find more?
google shows me this:
http://www.state51.co.uk/hottips/bhangle.html
and not much else...
homegrl had a fair few cassettes of the stuff, all of which seemed to come from the same shop on brick lane.
anyone know where i might find more?
google shows me this:
http://www.state51.co.uk/hottips/bhangle.html
and not much else...
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Well going through the track listening, the specific tunes that I was referring to were as follows:
Tubby T - Ready She Ready (2003)
Apache Indian - Chok There, Bombay remix (1993)
Jay Sean, Juggy D & Rishi Rich - Dance With You, Diwali remix (2003)
Shizzle - Rotate Dem (2006)
Suncycle - Somebody (2004)
Blackout JA & Marley - Hot Show (2004)
So there's quite a significant time-span covered, but the majority of the tracks are fairly recent. It could well be desi elements that are being used - but I will admit here that I know next to nothing about desi, so couldn't tell you either way.
Also, this is purely based on my personal response as I listen to them, so if someone were to point out in response to a track on the list 'but that's straight-up dancehall', 'that one's just pure desi' and so on, you may well right, but to my (largely untrained) ears I could aspects of fusion or communication going on between JA and modern Asian elements.
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and Errol Arawak from King Earthquake Sound out of Birmingham.
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Theres a folk music in India called giddha ( literally meaning to clap ) performed mostly by punjabi women and loads of reggea/regggeaton tunes feature this tempo of clapping and dhol. Perhaps reggaeton from spanish based areas gets it from flamenco which itself has an indian lineage iirc.
I dont know if this is a direct influence on reggae or if its producers looking eastwards for beats and samples.
for quiicky for eg
Giddha
v
Suncycle - Somebody
Nina Sky
I dont know if this is a direct influence on reggae or if its producers looking eastwards for beats and samples.
for quiicky for eg
Giddha
v
Suncycle - Somebody
Nina Sky
Flamenco music originated with gypsies- who originally came from India... *
(*Ignoring the arabic/north-african contribution here- it's a mix of many influences, but....anyway...)
interesting, didn't know that (well i knew about the gypsy thing but not that they originally came from india, though actually that does sound familiar but i never put them together)
i still haven't heard any indian music that the diwali riddim really sounds like though (not to say there isn't some of course)
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That's amazing. I got the Perry tune and didnt even realise it was sung in Hindi.
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And Conroy Smith. Wast one his lyrics 'teach dem black indian teach dem' on Dangerous and also a tune called Indian Lady (which may be by the by)
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Darned cockwombles.
Good question. I haven't been to Southall in several years myself... Dr Zeus and RDB were making some amazing music back in the day though (well, quite recently, really).
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Still going strong Id guess tho' I dont get to listen to it much. There's the BBC's Asian Network still playing desi styles.
edit : http://www.bbc.co.uk/asiannetwork/
edit 2 : Just seen MJ Cole was on this show whch may of interest
http://www.bbc.co.uk/asiannetwork/djkayper/
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I was kind of reminded of this by the student demos where someone had a portable sound system. Indians from Trinidad and Guyana in New York has been slowly building a bicycle sound system street culture which was reported in the New York Times a while back.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/29/n...10&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
Looks like there going to be a film about it called Made in Queens.
There's a couple of videos here
and
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/29/n...10&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
Looks like there going to be a film about it called Made in Queens.
There's a couple of videos here
and