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    is paul morley right?

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    dunno. what does he mean by this?

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    link to where he says this please

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    depends in what context. if yr talking about tracks like what you goin' do by lil jon and the eastside boys or the whisper song by the ying yang twins, i suppose he might have a point, however this isn't a *bad* thing at all. hip hop's too damned big to make catch-all prononcements about, like this one, really - too many different strands, disparate scenes (true school, street rap, conscious, gangsta, blah, blah, blah) regional styles most people not from those cities have never even heard... you can't make blanket statements about hip-hop any more and i, too, would like to see where morley is supposed to have written this...
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    in the mainstream, it mostly is, yeah.

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    that's a silly thing to say.

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    he said that on a profile of public enemy's chuck d on bbc 4(?) - i watched a copy.

    what does he mean? you tell me...

    i think he means that hip hop is now predominantly in the media and public's mind gangsta shit, when it was new it was so much more....

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    well considering as how shocklee's bomb squad shit was some of the most confrontational, amped-up-to-11 madness ever heard in black music at that point, then adding pe's erstatz urban militia schtick, this sounds a bit potty - pe were *totally* brutal, that's why i loved them so much
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    i think he means that lyrically, hip hop has been aesthetically brutalised. personally, i wish the music was more brutal a la the bomb squad, thats why i lovethe production values of lil jon (and at the other end of the spectrum - el-p) so much.

    xxxpost - why is it a silly thing to say mainstream hip hop has been aesthetically brutalised? many of the most popular and succesful rappers of today and thus the most influential are running on OTT post-gangsta auto-pilot. sure, you have the occasional artist like kanye to upset the balance but for the most part, hes the minority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty south
    what does he mean? you tell me...

    i think he means that hip hop is now predominantly in the media and public's mind gangsta shit, when it was new it was so much more....
    well, you saw him say this, in some kind of context, so i reckon you're in a better position than me to have a go at interpreting it! if you're right in what he means, then it seems to have more to do with the media and the public mind than hip hop anyway

    (this seems like an increasingly silly discussion, us trying to guess what morley means by what seems to me a fairlyl thoughtless statement, then discussing possible meanings)

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    "hip hop in 2005 is generally boring and corporate" is how i would interpret it.

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    if he does mean that, i'd have to disagree

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty south
    is paul morley right?
    "lobotomised" would have been closer to the mark. One of those shots clearly took a chunk of 50cents' cerebral cortex with it. Mumbling, tuneless cunt.

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    the thing with morley though is that he only seems to regard hip hop as being of some worth when its either political, 'conscious', socially aware blah blah or infused with heavy attitude like PE, i wouldnt mind if the popular face of hip hop was so gangsta-obsessed if it was more interesting or at least, musically brutalised on some level.

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    i tend to find that, although they wouldn't dream of saying it, most music enthusiasts/critics don't like hip-hop very much or know a great deal about it, if the real truth be told
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