has hip hop been "aesthetically brutalised"?

Lmao who is this rachel verinder :crylarf:

dude Tim Finney ALWAYS on point

plus some classic early era Zhao, K-punk's kinda perturbing grumpy misunderstanding of all post-80s rap, and hella feels. ya nice find luka.

this is the money quote to me

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i'd say "black heavy metal" rather than "black indie" given the overstated machoisms (as with macho metallers, you can't help feeling they're HIDING something) and also the similarity in contemporary hip hop album cover design to those of metal albums - very much a fenced-off hive (mind). you go into a record shop now and look at the new hip hop releases and i get the same sinking/bewildered feeling i used to get from looking at new HM releases.

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that shared disdain for heavy metal and contemporary rap

Corpsey said:

Lmao who is this rachel verinder :crylarf:

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Marcello Carlin IIRC.

is Tim Finney the guy posting under Tim F over at I Love Music?

Yup

He used to post here when uk funky was popping

I think we ran him off because was embarrassing us all with his high quality posting

yeah theyre much more likely both to post essay length pieces that have gone through multiple drafts and revisions, and to volley 'zings;' back and forth at each other. we're a bit less aspirational.
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we lost a lot of posters, a big chunk of our knowledge base. what's left is basically just the dwindling handful of people who are able to tolerate me.

You're like Donald Trump

And we're the best people

Luke recently ranked all the classic hip hop albums and if I remember correctly Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince got a higher score than A Tribe Called Quest, but not 'The Infamous...Mobb Deep'

What does that mean for the underlying concept of this thread?

recently as in about 20 years ago but here it is

A Tribe Called Quest- Low End Theory
BORING
• A Tribe Called Quest- People's Instictive Travels and the Paths of Rythm
BORING
• A Tribe Called Quest- Midnight Marauders
BORING
• Above the Law- Livin' Like Hustlers
HAS ITS MOMENTS...A BIT BORING THO
• Beastie Boys- License to Ill
ENTERTAINING
• Beastie Boys- Paul's Boutique
NEVER HEARD IT
• Big Daddy Kane- Long Live the Cane
CLASSIC MATERIAL
• Big Daddy Kane- It's a Big Daddy Thing
NOT SO GOOD
• Biz Markie- Goin' Off
SORT OF FUNNY I SUPPOSE
• Black Moon- Enta Da Stage
CLASSIC MATERIAL
• Black Sheep- A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing
PLEASANT BUT ULTIMATELY DULL
• Bone Thugs and Harmony- Creepin' On Ah Come Up (EP)
CLASSIC MATERIAL
• Boogie Down Productions- Criminal Minded
CLASSIC MATERIAL
• Boogie Down Productions- By All Means Nessesary
BORRING
• Brand Nubian- All For One
CLASSIC MATERIAL
• Chill Rob G- Ride the Rythm
NEVER HEARD THIS
• Common Sense- Resurrection
CLASSIC MATERIAL
• Cypress Hill- Cypress Hill
CLASSIC
• Cypress Hill- Black Sunday
CLASSIC
• Das EFX- Dead Serious
LARGELY DULL
• De La Soul- Three Feet High and Rising
CLASSIC
• De La Soul- De La Soul Is Dead
SATISFACTORY
• Diamond D- Stunts,Blunts and Hip-Hop
VERY BORING
• Digable Planets- Reachin'...
PLEASNAT BUT WET
• Digital Underground- Sex Packets
QUITE FUNNY
• DJ Quick- Quick Is the Name
OVERRATED
• D.O.C.- No One Can Do It Better
NEVER HEARD THIS
• Doug E. Fresh- World's Greatest Entertainer
LIGHWEIGHT BUT SORT OF FUN
• Dr.Dre- The Chronic
UGLY BUT CLASSIC
• Eazy E- Eazy Does It
QUITE CLASSIC DESPITE LIMITATIONS
• Eric B. and Rakim- Paid in Full
SUPER CLASSIC
• Eric B. and Rakim- Follow the Leader
UNEVEN BUT THE GOOD BITS ARE VERY GOOD
• Eric B. and Rakim- Let the Rythm Hit'Em
DITTO
• EPMD- Strictly Business
• EPMD- Unfinished Business
• EPMD- Business as Usual
DONT LIKE EPMD. WHAT YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT?
• Fugees- The Score
I LIKE READY OR NOT A LOT.
• Gang Starr- Step In The Arena
DULL
• Gang Starr- Daily Operation
DULL
• Genius/GZA- Liquid Swords
CLASSIC
• Geto Boys- Grip It! On That Other Level
QUITE GOOD
• Heavy D & The Boyz- Livin' Large
DATED
• Ice Cube- Amerikkka's Most Wanted
DATED
• Ice Cube- Death Certificate
DATED
• Ice T- Original Gangster
QUITE LIKE THIS
• Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince- He's the DJ, I'm The Rapper
LIGHTWEIGHT BUT QUITE FUN
• Jay-Z- Reasonable Doubt
DULL
• Jungle Brothers- Straight Out The Jungle
CLASSIC
• Jungle Brothers- Forces Of Nature
GOOD
• Just Ice- Kool and Deadly
GOOD
• Kool G Rap and DJ Polo- Road To Riches
CLASSIC MATRIAL
• KRS One- Return Of the Boom Bap
BORING
• LL Cool J- Radio
CLASSIC MATERIAL
• LL Cool J- Bigger and Deffer
CLASSIC MATEREIAL
• LL Cool J- Mama Said Knock You Out
DATED
• Lord Finesse- Funky Technician
GOOD
• Main Source- Breakin' Atoms
DULL
• MC Lyte- Lyte as a Rock
NEVR HEARD THIS
• MC Shan- Down By Law
NEVER HEARD THIS
• Mobb Deep- The Infamous
SUPER CLASSIC
• Naughty By Nature- Naughty By Nature
SATISFACTORY
• Nas- Illimatic
SUPER CLASSIC
• Nice and Smooth- Nice and Smooth
LIGHTWEIGHT
• Notorious B.I.G.- Ready to Die
SUPER CLASSIC
• Notorious B.I.G.- Life After Death
PATCHY.
• NWA- Straight Outta Compton
CLASSIC
• Ol'Dirty Bastard- Return to the 36 Chambers
PATCHY BUT COMPELLING
• Onyx- Bacdafucup
• Organized Confusion- Stress:the Extinction Agenda
CLASSIC
• Outcast- ATLiens
CLASSIC
• Pete Rock and CL Smooth- Mecca and the Soul Brother
DULL
• Pharcyde- Bizzare Ride...II Pharcyde
CLASSIC
• Poor Righteous Teachers- Holly Intellect
DULL
• Public Enemy- Yo! Bum Rush the Show
CLASSIC
• Public Enemy- It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back
SUPER CLASSIC
• Public Enemy- Fear Of a Black Planet
DISAPPOINTING
• Queen Latifah- All Hail the Queen
DULL
• Raekwon- Only Built For Cuban Linx
SUPR CLASSIC
• Redman- Whut Thee Album
ENERTAINING
• Roots- Do You Want More?
PATCHY
• Roots- Illadephalflife v.3
CLASSIC
• Run DMC- Run DMC
CLASSIC
• Run DMC- Raising Hell
CLASSIC
• Salt N Pepa- Hot, Cool and Viscious
NEVER HEARD IT
• Scarface- Mr. Scarface is Back
A BIT CLASSIC
• Schooly D- Saturday Night: the Album
A BIT CLASSIC
• Slick Rick- The Great Advantures Of Slick Rick
LIGHTWEIGHT
• Smif N Wessun- Da Shinin'
DULLER THAN YOU REMEMBER IT BEING
• Snoop Doggy Dogg- Doggystyle
CLASSIC
• Souls Of Mischief- 93 Till' Infinity
CLASSIC
• Special Ed- Youngest In Charge
TOO MUCH FILLER
• Spice 1- Spice 1
GOOD
• Stestasonic- On Fire
BORING
• 3rd Bass- Cactus Album
BORING
• Too Short- Born To Mack
BORING
• Tupac- Me Against The World
SHRILL, HYSTERICAL
• Ultramagnetic MC's - Critical Beatdown
CLASSIC
• Whodini- Escape
PATCHY
• Wu-Tang Clan- Enter the Wu-Tang
CLASSIC
• X-Clan- To the East Backwards
DULL

I loved that list. But yeah it was about 20 years ago, when we were all young and lean. Even crowleyhead was young and lean in those days, despite all the Native Tongues war stories...

omg, luka IS like donald trump, and we are his base.

luka could shoot someone in the middle of fifth avenue and we'd still like his posts.

so much winning.

luka said:

yeah theyre much more likely both to post essay length pieces that have gone through multiple drafts and revisions, and to volley 'zings;' back and forth at each other. we're a bit less aspirational.
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Well now you have outsiders like me who do multiple drafts and revisions on sms length comments periphirally related to the subject at hand. Still haven't completely cracked the code as to where this forum fits into the grand scheme of things.

I have a feeling that you guys are either somehow lost cultural oracles seeing things in their absolute true nature, unadulterated by all of society's imposing presuppositions

or that you're just spouting calculated nonsense clouded to uselessness by the perpetual echoes of your own ideals and thoughts of grandeur.

But give me some time to soak up your knowledge and indoctrinate myself into your idiosyncracies, and perhaps I can be a valuable addition.

Far too earnest. You need to work on the ironic detachment.

Sincerity is only allowed on Craner's drunken Friday night thread derailments.

Wow, so pleased I can cause controversy even on a Tuesday!

Lovely to know I have a role, though.

droid said:

Far too earnest. You need to work on the ironic detachment.

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duly noted