Well, I never claimed Portishead was bad, just that they have been very influencial, direct or indirect, on a lot of things that I don't like.bassnation said:well, i suppose if we're talking about soporific bossa nova drivel like theivery corporation i could agree with you. but they were hardly in the same league as portishead.
jenks said:that earthling album still remains a firm favourite and whilst trip hop soon became tarnished as agenre as the bandwagon rolled out of bristol it is interesting to note that the stuff that is still worth listening to - blue lines, maxinquaye, einstein, dummy is all from the original gang - no-one is asking if morcheeba, sneaker pimps or any of those other chancers records still stand up to scrutiny.
SIZZLE said:Portishead is very very big, but they definitely did suffer a bit of a bob marleyization, getting played so much in so many stupid contexts that you start to hate it, even tho it's amazing music.
SIZZLE said:Portishead is very very big, but they definitely did suffer a bit of a bob marleyization, getting played so much in so many stupid contexts that you start to hate it, even tho it's amazing music.
dHarry said:Geoff Barrow freely admits in (rare) interviews that he hasn't seen the films he's sampled, has never listened to the jazz or avant-classical he's supposed to be influenced by, is cripplingly media-shy and sincere (he actually apologised to one interviewer for owning the house he bought on the album sales), and obviously had no idea that his creation would become (briefly) massively trendy. He is as obsessive as Kevin Shields, recording his own sounds live with dogged fidelity to recording techniques of the 60's/70's, then digitally processing them, pressing them to vinyl and re-recording them from turntables weighted down for extra crackle, hum, weight, gravity and pressure, allying these slo-mo soporific atmospherics with an irrational love of hip hop and cinematic sound.
bassnation said:sneaker pimps "spin spin sugar" is ok though - esp. the van helden remix - apparently produced after he'd visited a jungle night in london and wanted to incorporate elements of the sound in a house tune. it was rinsed pretty heavily by the original speed garage djs iirc.
Haha, I was listening to this at the gym today. I feel like such a yuppie listening to trendy obscure shit on my digital music player while working out. Oh wait, maybe because I am...mms said:has anyone heard a new guy on stones thro called koushik actually - real trip hop that is with a big 60's influence - liked it i dod
dominic said:i think the phluide "creeping vine" version on the flip is superior to the van helden remix
and for a uk garage take, i think the 187 lockdown version is better than van helden's version
can't quite figure out why van helden got so much acclaim for this, frankly
and of course the sneaker pimps original is the best one of all!!!
bassnation said:the other avh remix that came out the same time was genaside ii narra mine - a song which is hard to improve imo but the mixes weren't too bad. curiously there was also a wu tang remix released too - which didn't quite work. i love the idea of rza listening to narra mine and all that stuff.
two big favourites of mine.michael said:What about Skylab's first album? In my mind that holds a fond place with 'UFOrb', where the Orb did a whole synthy techno-influenced take on ambient music while Skylab came at it from the grubby lo-fi hip-hop angle. "I put a seashell to my ear and it all comes back..."
michael said:For the record, I have to confess to being quite a fan of what I guess all got lumped together as "trip-hop". Even at the time I thought of a lot of eg. Ninja Tune as acid jazz with a new name from the press, but some of that early Mo'Wax and whatever really blew me away.
Autechre's remix of Palmskin Productions.. like 'Incunabula' goes hip-hop
UNKLE well before the first album.. funny to see Tim Goldsworthy has resurfaced as "the other one" again, this time in the DFA.
DJ Shadow well before his first album..
The occasional Krush tune rose out of the mire, eg. 'Kemuri'...
Trevor Jackson's meagre output as Skull was pretty ace. A bit fucken ornery, but I presume those who are bemoaning trip-hop being too "cafe" would find that a plus. I used to always look out for his name on production credits etc. and was so confused when that Playgroup stuff started surfacing.
What about Skylab's first album? In my mind that holds a fond place with 'UFOrb', where the Orb did a whole synthy techno-influenced take on ambient music while Skylab came at it from the grubby lo-fi hip-hop angle. "I put a seashell to my ear and it all comes back..."
Sorry, I wasn't trying to say The Orb were trip-hop, just drawing a point of comparison between two roughly contemporary releases I used to thrash. Both of them I see as morphed ambient music, mashed up with different more contemporary stuff...jenks said:still play the Skylab album all the time - somehow, though, never saw either of them as triphop . always saw the howie b stuff as some kind of morphed eno thing with a bit of toop thrown in for good measure
Think the tune's called 'Sly', just to be a trainspotter... it's pretty great.mms said:trevor jackson was the underdog wasn't he - he had a hip hop group as well forget what it was called - his mix of massive attacks 'wandering ' with nicolette is skill.