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    this is a world completely foreign to me

    the definition of getting the wrong end of the stick - and waving it frantically around

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    I don't get it either but I respect how unpretentious about music metallers (that I've known) tend to be.

    Insofar as they don't feel compelled to go beyond "it rocks" as a response.

    Obviously I'm not saying metal musicians aren't pretentious because they sometimes dress up in wizards robes and so on...

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    I like Buckethead.

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    Yet Eddie Hazel on "Maggot Brain" or Verlaine/Lloyd on "Marquee Moon" or Ron Asheton on "TV Eye" are ok to like. Different kind of shredding. For Hazel and Ashton, it might be due to emotion over technical virtuosity, but just to opposite for Verlaine.

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    It’s kind of embarrassing but I remember this time of guitar solos and it was ridiculous. I was a kid but remember the absurd guitar solos on these tracks very well, they sounded unreal, synthetic


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    well - as the resident heavy guitars freak in this guitars-unfriendly place I feel obligated to take a break from dematerialization and weigh in

    it is indeed a very strange and almost entirely terrible world unto itself

    in general an unholy union of mullet cock rock and music theory fetishism, without any of the fun of the former or potential fwd strangeness of the latter

    but you have to separate and reclaim THE SHRED ITSELF from these sad bastards and their juiceless Paganini fantasies

    the shred is a tool of awesome - in both the colloquial and traditional senses - power, but like any tool it can be put to wise or unwise uses

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    digression on the guitar solo (not all solo is shred and not all shred is solo but shred is basically a subset/particular evolution of lead)

    the guitar solo is an emergent property witchcraft of the placement of notes and their interaction with each other in real time

    musos would use words like "lines" and "phrasing" to describe that, and not be wrong, but they are shorthand to capture that emergent property of interaction, timing

    the riff has a bit of this too but it's much more fixed in place. riffs function, that's their power.

    whereas each solo - or any time a lead diverges sufficiently from the riff - is an entity unto itself, every time you play it

    it's like a footballer scoring a goal, or a fighter knock someone out. you can go back and break down the mechanics but the moment itself is frozen forever in/beyond time.

    similarly you can replay a solo note for note but it's like copying a painting or remaking a film shot for shot

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    anyway, examine this on its own terms

    that video's most obvious (besides Prince) glaring omission from any important 80s shredders list is Kerry King. he took the techniques of shredding and turned them inside out - all the fast scales descend into atonal shrieking and squealing, held together by his infamous prolific whammy bar abuse - into almost a parody of virtuosity, if (probably) not an intentional one. it was really a sea change in heavy guitars. Tony Iommi took the pentatonic scale more or less to its logical conclusion, but in the boiling nexus of mid-80s extreme guitar music whence death, black, and grind, there's a major shift to dissonance and atonality. people do talk endless shit (which to me mostly misses the point) on King but whatever your take the massive influence of him and Hannemann across the breadth of heavy guitars is undeniable. specifically relevant here are big name death metal pioneers like Chuck Schuldiner and Trey Azagthoth, super technical and highly influential shredders in their own right.

    but it was a highly divisive shift - think of united ardkore splintering into jungle and happy hardcore, with the middle ground here being something like Metallica

    Malmsteen etc style "shredding" otoh is a cul de sac of bone-dry autoeroticism. its endgame is Dragonforce, i.e. almost literally just masturbating onto a fretboard.

    glam metal lead guitar - C.C. Deville, George Lynch, etc - is applied Malmsteen

    tbf its squareness of Malmsteen dorks is impressive - The Clash were already ironically calling out "you're my guitar hero" in 1977 - gotta respect their resilience

    still how much sympathy can one ultimately have for anything that makes Yes and Emerson Lake + Palmer sound exciting (at least they're weird) by comparison
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    ofc there are definitely other schools of shred - one of particular interest to me is the hardcore school of what you might call anti-shredding radiating out along the twin axes of Greg Ginn and Bones from Discharge - it's just that metal shredding is most relevant here.

    and in reality they're not separate - Discharge was a noted massive influence on Slayer, via both d-beat (which Discharge copped from Motörhead in the 1st place) and the harsh squalling atonal leads, and thrash metal generally - but it's easier for the purposes of discussion.

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    k and now the part where I drop the YT examples

    not sure what exactly is King and what's Hanneman but you get the point




    obligatory, the only good Band of Gypsys thing but man is it ever tho

    crucial early days power trio shred




    the originators, with Priest, of the twin guitar attack shred


    bonus: the rarely seen full-on bass shred - True Mystikal Master Kliff Burton

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    You should all read Real Ultimate Power. It's the funniest book ever written. It's written in the character of a hyperactive and possibly autistic 12-year-old boy whose life is completely dominated by his obsession with ninjas, who - in this inner fantasy world - spend all their time cutting off heads, porking hot babes and wailing really, really hard on jet red [sic.] guitars:

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    It's impossible not to think of it whenever I hear anything that sounds remotely 'shred-y'.
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