one of the things i like to boast about is a tape i had (and lost) of wiley and riko spitting over drum and bass on rinse in about 99. just listening to that you could tell what was going to happen. you could see grime, just from the fact that riko a)had lyrics, unlike your standard drum and bass mc and b)they were all about doing armed robberies and all mad criminal shit, guns and what have you, which no one really had ever done as far i know. i'd never heard that kind of talk from english mcs. thats why i think riko really is the godfather of the whole thing, cos wiley was quite shit then, but riko was exactly the same really. they haven;t hardly changed their style, it was all there 5 years ago, waiting for the beats, the scene, the audience, to catch up.