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Parson

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i saw aki kaurismäki's Leningrad Cowboys Go America
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its an awesome fish-out-of-water rocknroll comedy about a band trying to play some gigs.
they go from finland to new york, and then across america to mexico.

cute jarmusch cameo too
 

mistersloane

heavy heavy monster sound
Last King Of Scotland, great. Sucks you in and spits you out. Not enough of Amin's back story for my liking ( they portray him as a paranoid monster, whereas he had every reason to be paranoid..) but great nevertheless. Must get an Oscar for something, if Peter O'Toole don't bag it.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
this is a black hole, oliver, bevare.

Bless you Bruno, you are so right on so many levels

There's just something about Dissensus, and, I guess, LIFE, that makes me want to misbehave, transgress.

I wonder where I'm heading, apart from hell.

This was a good point well made, though:

One thing is certain, these films make no apologies and force their contents upon the viewer on their own moral terms. Though blatant exercises in cinematic depravity, these films approach the brutality of the Nazi war camps in a much more visceral way than saccharine films such as Spielberg's sentimental SCHINDLER'S LIST.

And you've got to love the titles, at least. The Gestapo's Last Orgy cannot be topped in that respect.

I'm also rather sad that my Italian soundtrack thread bombed.
Why is it that Italy and Japan, two former fascist States, make the most violent and fucked-up and visually extreme films of all time? Hmm.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
Yo my lovlies.

I need some consumer advice. If any of you gazillion Dissensians have ever heard anything about or actually seen a Franco Kleef Saghetti Western Reconstruction DVD-R you gotta let me know what the quality is like because I really am itching to buy this and this and this and this and this.

Anamorphic Widescreen sounds good, dubbed sounds bad, and it's a lot of dough, especially if they really are shit.

I need like a consumer watchdog.
 

bruno

est malade
sorry, i've been mentally offline.

i had something relevant to say about trivialisation but i completely forgot what it was.

you mention spanish tributaries, i don't know about south america (literally) but i would imagine the philippines being fertile ground for exploitation, they seem pretty unbalanced.

regarding italy and japan i think it's a question of circumstance and character. both had their delusion of cultural supremacy left in tatters, so you have the typical reckless embrace of foreign idioms and hard core traditionalist strains competing for extremes. and beautiful women, beautiful landscapes, it's a recipe for madness.

the problem with the holocaust is that it's a level of horror that defies representation, survivors struggled to or refused to for fear of tainting the purity of that experience and what we have has been neatly circumscribed and protected. but a tragedy without contestation or even humour is a dead event, like comparing a mountain to itself - a floating monolith with no connection to anything. which is arguably more trivialising than a rogue film.

and i can't help you on the western front, sorry.
 

wonk_vitesse

radio eros
Last King Of Scotland, great. Sucks you in and spits you out. Not enough of Amin's back story for my liking ( they portray him as a paranoid monster, whereas he had every reason to be paranoid..) but great nevertheless. Must get an Oscar for something, if Peter O'Toole don't bag it.

This is as good as everyone says it is, marvellous cinematic right angled turn as the film whips you from the grey skies of Scotland to a very lurid, steamy Uganda. Suprised to see Gillian anderson popping up again as English lady. Agree, more of Armin would've helped, such a powerful performance.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
Bruno, that was a great little post, and you're right.

If you look at the horrible history of Ilsa - She Wolf of the SS you'd discover how right you are. Anyone involved, who had sense, took their names off the credits to erase their involvement - some even had Holocaust survivor relatives! I guess, while making it, they divorced exploitation cinema from history, then found they couldn't. Those who didn't, including Dyanne Thorne, had a Jade-like reaction to face, and career oblivion. Thorne starred in the sequals Ilsa - Harem Keeper of the Oil Sheiks and Ilsa - Tigress of Siberia and other dumb and disgusting films and that was it. She was a fairly intelligent, and very striking, woman, nonetheless.

South America was the most insane for exploitation. Is this something to do with fascism again? For example, Bare Behind Bars, banned everywhere, was not only not banned in South America, they added extra hardcore porn inserts in case it wasn't extreme or vile enough.

A lot of these films are more silly and weird than extreme, however, like, for example, Sadomania which, apart from the dog-shagging-a-chained-up-lesbian scene, is just silly and weird. (Ajita Wilson just adds to this. S/he's pretty insane and great all round.)

Or maybe I've really dropped off the edge.
 

bruno

est malade
oliver craner said:
Or maybe I've really dropped off the edge.
yes, you've clearly lost it.

you mean this girl?

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hmm.. yes. i haven't seen this. i've never seen a woman in prison film, actually.

to finish off the holocaust theme, could it be that it's more visible to us than it was to our parents? because no one likes to wallow in tragedy, but especially not just after it's happened. you always need a little distance to evaluate things in their true dimension, i think we're lucky in that sense.

which reminds me, we lived for a few years in chile when i was 5 or 6 and i remember an episode of not being able to sleep, entering the living room and taking in a few seconds of a scene where people were shot naked into a trench. i was whisked back to my bed but that image stayed imprinted in my head forever. in my fantasy i associated it with pinochet, but the subject was off limits and i never raised it until we moved to canada, by which time my parents had amnesia! so it was a holocaust scene, but they didn't shoot that in colour, did they? i've yet to find the film it's from.
 
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Parson

Guest
last night i watched the marriage of maria braun again

i think i've decided its my favorite fassbinder film

ali: fear eats the soul, and fox and his friends are my other favorites.
and in a year with 13 moons (which is linklater's favorite)

i feel maria braun is when he fully realized his goal of being as awesome as douglas sirk.
he was clearly an advanced human being, and had tons of amazing films, but it didn't seem like the best ones could really stand up to sirk's best (all that heaven allows, immitation of life).
 

bruno

est malade
sorry, i meant i've never seen a woman in prison film besides the nazi ones! i saw the tail end of an israeli film though, to balance things a bit.
 

Octopus?

Well-known member
sorry, i meant i've never seen a woman in prison film besides the nazi ones! i saw the tail end of an israeli film though, to balance things a bit.

For a truly hilarious exploitation outing, I'd reccomend "Amazon Jail" (from the maestro responsible for "Bare Behind Bars". Much tamer, the girls mostly just sit around and complain while nude and occasionally rub up against each other/the occasional hairy man, but the flick's entirely worth it for a few reasons. 1) the corpulent 'master' of the whole operation, outfitted with a Wilford Brimley mustache that really does his acting for him 2) his deeply closeted lesbian assistant who constantly brandishes a whip and threatens to whip anyone for just looking at her funny, but never actually whips anyone 3) the fact that all the girls who are kidnapped into a prostitution ring deep in the heart of the Amazon jungle never really seem to mind all that much and, in fact, some are even allowed to skip an orgy because they formed a union and 4) the last half hour, which must be a completely different movie that just happened to star some of the same characters. Linear plot? Pfft.

In terms of dreamy sexploitation flicks, I just happened to catch "Daughters Of Darkness" and quite enjoyed it...a good double bill with Franco's "Succubus" this weekend.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
and I'm with you on this, but don't know quite how I feel about it

Thankfully, not a lot of people know what we're talking about.

It's terrible, actually. These films are dangerous. They're like drugs. Take a few tokes on Suspiria, next thing you know you're mainlining Sadomania and Cannibal Holocaust.

So I decided to drag this whole thread down with me.
 

mister matthew

Active member
Yo my lovlies.

I need some consumer advice. If any of you gazillion Dissensians have ever heard anything about or actually seen a Franco Kleef Saghetti Western Reconstruction DVD-R you gotta let me know what the quality is like because I really am itching to buy this and this and this and this and this.

Anamorphic Widescreen sounds good, dubbed sounds bad, and it's a lot of dough, especially if they really are shit.

I need like a consumer watchdog.


hallo

i have the 'man, pride & vengeance' one, which is decent quality. not a spotless print, but they never are are they.

ive also got 'the big gundown' reconstruction too, which is fine as well.

dunno about the rest

the english dubbing doesn't bother me much with these
 
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