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    Been reading people's reactions to BR2049 today and I'm starting to think (or realise) that I'm probably just too thick to have understood the story and it's actually better than I thought it was.

    In my defence, I did find myself thinking about it after I'd watched it and I felt compelled to find out what others had thought, so I'm not all bad. Maybe even could be human one day?

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    This from Reddit, the sort of thing I'd never bother to investigate (mind you I've never read Pale Fire)

    You already know that the "baseline" lines are from Nabokov's Pale Fire:

    Cells interlinked within cells interlinked

    Within one stem. And dreadfully distinct

    Against the dark, a tall white fountain played.
    Here's what's interesting:

    Pale Fire is hard to describe if you haven't read it, but it consists of a long poem, ostensibly written by (fictitious) famous poet John Shade, followed by "notes" by an editor who proves to be more and more of an unreliable narrator.

    The baseline lines are part of Shade's description of what he saw when he had a near-death experience. Some time later, he reads in a newspaper an account from a woman who also had a near-death experience, and, in the poem, the paper quotes her as saying "Beyond that orchard through a kind of smoke / I glimpsed a tall white fountain--and awoke."

    Shade sees this as too coincidental -- maybe this is some ur-memory, or proof of an afterlife! So he contacts the newspaper and gets in touch with the woman... who seems to have no memory of this. He checks back with the newspaper, and is told

    "It's accurate. I have not changed her style.

    There's one misprint--not that it matters much:

    Mountain, not fountain. The majestic touch."
    So the "tall white fountain" was an identity-shaking, shared connection between two people... except it turned out not to be true after all. Kinda like K's memory about the horse and the furnace.

    edit: The poem part of Pale Fire. The baseline part is 705-707; the woman's quote is 757-758; the misprint quote is 800-802.

    Go pick up a copy of Pale Fire! It's the best.

    edit edit: To make it even more postmodern-delicious, note lines 781-783. The woman is eager to meet Shade because of her affinity for his poem about Mont Blanc (a tall white mountain). So who influenced whom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    Been reading people's reactions to BR2049 today and I'm starting to think (or realise) that I'm probably just too thick to have understood the story and it's actually better than I thought it was.

    In my defence, I did find myself thinking about it after I'd watched it and I felt compelled to find out what others had thought, so I'm not all bad. Maybe even could be human one day?
    quite the opposite. it's dumb as fuck and other people are even thicker than you ever thought possible

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    it's irredeemably vapid, but in a ponderous, joyless way.

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    Nabokov is middlebrow pap for pseuds. Burn those books.

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    Can you explain why you thought it was dumb as fuck? I went back and found your initial response which was along those lines but you never really went into it. Did you think the plot didn't make sense, or that it was just facile?

    What I felt last night watching it was that it presents a very thin version of human life - which is natural, arguably, given that there's barely any really human characters in it. But that is a problem when the film is supposed to be about being (or not being) human. There are obviously humans around, hence Gosling being called a 'fucking skinjob' or whatever it is, but we don't really encounter any of them save for his commanding officer and that dude from 'Captain Phillips'. It makes the world look so miserable that you wonder what's so important about keeping it going for anyone. As you say, it's almost entirely joyless.

    Actually come to think of it, the vision of the future in BR2049 is not a little reminiscent of WALL-E, right down to the hologrammatic projections of cultural vitality long past.

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