DannyL

Wild Horses
Any love round here for Mona Lisa? I just re-watched it, after doing some work stuff on his other films. At first it was *really* annoying me - Hoskins' character seems so naive it's ridiculous, and they over-played the mental damaged child-women card a bit with a couple of the prostitutes, but other than that, Ithought it had some real moments. The sequence on the pier at the end with the Elton John shades is pretty great.

I was also surprised how poorly it held up to something like London to Brighton - the bar really has moved, I guess. Still worth a (re)-watch though.

Me and Rich also watched Women of the Dunes yesterday, which is basically pretty fucking amazing, even if just for the incredible black and white cinematography of swirling desert sands.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Oh yeah, and Woman of the Dunes - Blood Tea is more up my street though I guess.
Dave - I'll send you it when I send you White Dawn which I still haven't watched yet - sorry sorry sorry mea maxiuma culpa elc
 

Gregor XIII

Well-known member
Anyone else able to recommend any really good animations along these lines, I really like "adult fairytale" stuff - not porn, you know what I mean.
Yuri Norstein, perhaps, if you haven't seen him. Soviet animation, melancholic of course.

Hedgehog in the Fog, a short masterpiece:

Tale of Tales, a more abstract, and longer film:

I've saw French film this weekend. Godard's Pierrot le Fou and Varda's Le Bonheur. Pierrot was amazingly good, funny and entertaining. Bonheur was... different... thought-provoking... I jotted down my thoughts here:
http://centrifugue.blogspot.com/2011/05/agnes-vardas-le-bonheur-thoughts-on.html

I think I liked it, but I'm not completely sure. It helped me get a lot of thoughts out of my system, kinda. Liked that about it. As well as the colours of it, they were amazing too. And a scene with a tree, that was great as well.
 

grimjaw

Member
Anyone else able to recommend any really good animations along these lines, I really like "adult fairytale" stuff - not porn, you know what I mean.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097839/

1989 Germanfilm called 'Marquis' about de Sade,certainly the most adult animation I have seen.

also this Uzbek short of 'There will come soft rains' by Ray Bradbury ,awesome audio and imagery...

and this short, I remember seeing it on Channel 4 one night and it stuck with me,'The Sandman' by Paul Berry.1992
 
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IdleRich

IdleRich
"Yuri Norstein, perhaps, if you haven't seen him. Soviet animation, melancholic of course.

Hedgehog in the Fog, a short masterpiece:

Tale of Tales, a more abstract, and longer film:
"
Thank you, watched the Hedgehog one and I'll give the other a go when I have more time.

"I've saw French film this weekend. Godard's Pierrot le Fou and Varda's Le Bonheur. Pierrot was amazingly good, funny and entertaining. Bonheur was... different... thought-provoking... I jotted down my thoughts here:
http://centrifugue.blogspot.com/2011...oughts-on.html

I think I liked it, but I'm not completely sure. It helped me get a lot of thoughts out of my system, kinda. Liked that about it. As well as the colours of it, they were amazing too. And a scene with a tree, that was great as well."
I thought that Le Bonheur was amazing, all that nastiness wrapped up in a sickly sweet exterior - and then it steps back from that to become a strangely dispassionate film. Agreed about the colours and all the little new wavey touches as well. Very good indeed although I watched it at a bad time.
I thought Pierrot le Fou was a bit annoying though, like many Godard things to be honest. I just don't get a lot of what he does, maybe it will click for me some time.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
"http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097839/

1989 Germanfilm called 'Marquis' about de Sade,certainly the most adult animation I have seen.

also this Uzbek short of 'There will come soft rains' by Ray Bradbury ,awesome audio and imagery...

and this short, I remember seeing it on Channel 4 one night and it stuck with me,'The Sandman' by Paul Berry.1992
"
Ah, I've seen The Sandman (very scary) but I'll check the other two, cheers.
 

STN

sou'wester
Any love round here for Mona Lisa? I just re-watched it, after doing some work stuff on his other films. At first it was *really* annoying me - Hoskins' character seems so naive it's ridiculous, and they over-played the mental damaged child-women card a bit with a couple of the prostitutes, but other than that, Ithought it had some real moments. The sequence on the pier at the end with the Elton John shades is pretty great.

The pier scene is noteworthy for having Lester Freamon from The Wire chasing Bob about the place. Like the film for sort of ideological reasons. My imagination makes it better than it is somehow, if that makes sense, but at root it's pretty ropey.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
"Otto Preminger's Where the Sidewalk Ends -- tough, terse, morally dubious, I thought it was great."
Is that where the cop is accused of killing the bloke and frames someone else or something?
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
The pier scene is noteworthy for having Lester Freamon from The Wire chasing Bob about the place. Like the film for sort of ideological reasons. My imagination makes it better than it is somehow, if that makes sense, but at root it's pretty ropey.

I think it's not just your imagination, it's the critical reputation it's got as well. "Best British Crime film" and all that. Praised to the hilt on IMDB. I just don't think it's aged very well, and the couple of niggles I mentioned really got up my nose.

Not as much as the child-women in 5th Element but that's a whole 'nother kettle of padeophile undertones.
 

Gregor XIII

Well-known member
I thought that Le Bonheur was amazing, all that nastiness wrapped up in a sickly sweet exterior - and then it steps back from that to become a strangely dispassionate film. Agreed about the colours and all the little new wavey touches as well. Very good indeed although I watched it at a bad time.
I thought Pierrot le Fou was a bit annoying though, like many Godard things to be honest. I just don't get a lot of what he does, maybe it will click for me some time.
I've only seen a few Godards, and they've all been about girls and guns. There isn't really a lot to the plots, but there are just so many wonderful little scenes, like the dance scene at the café in Bande a Part, or the few songs in Pierrot or the audaciousness of the cutting in the little scene where Pierrot and Marianne escape from her flat. It's kinda disposable, perhaps (Pierrot was apparantly his 10th film in 5 years...), but it's so energetic and full of amazing little details, often taken from other works. Kinda like early hardcore and jungle, or stuff like that...

Hey, my first (awkward) comment on any kind of music on this board. And it's probably completely off the mark... Oh well.
 
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IdleRich

IdleRich
Well, I really liked Bande a Part and I like to a greater or lesser degree some of his films. I even liked Weekend which is more similar to Pierrot; I just think that, despite some enjoyable moments, Pierrot le Fou ultimately dragged and became a montage of set pieces which were unable to sustain my interest even though individually some of them had a certain charm.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
"I've wanted to see that Hellstrom thing for a while. I'm sure there is another pseudo doc about insects taking over as well - or maybe I've just seen adverts for that film with a different picture to the one on IMDB. "
It was Phase IV I was thinking of - not a documentary but uses lots of real footage of ants to build tension. A really good film despite some silly bits of dialogue which might have benefitted from someone reading through the script to check it made sense.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070531/

Must have been an influence on Wax or The Discovery of Television Among the Bees although nowhere near as weird of course. Both begin with a voice over and have loads of scenes with people in protective clothing walking through the Nevada desert. Plus all the footage of insects obviously.
 

slim jenkins

El Hombre Invisible
Otto Preminger's Where the Sidewalk Ends -- tough, terse, morally dubious, I thought it was great.

Synchronicity! Watched that Monday night - thought it was good, but wouldn't rank it amongst my favourite crime films. What a mug, handing the letter back to be read...
 

slim jenkins

El Hombre Invisible
Well, I really liked Bande a Part and I like to a greater or lesser degree some of his films. I even liked Weekend which is more similar to Pierrot; I just think that, despite some enjoyable moments, Pierrot le Fou ultimately dragged and became a montage of set pieces which were unable to sustain my interest even though individually some of them had a certain charm.

I'm surprised you're not a bigger fan, Rich - don't know why, but that'll teach me to make assumptions. Me, I've got a lot of love for JLG's 60s works.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
I liked Alphaville - I think I remember you saying that you're a fan of that. In fact I like a few of them but he's not a director who really touches my heart somehow and when I sit down to watch a film of his I have no real expectation, I might love it but I might just as easily hate it.
 
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