lanugo

von Verfall erzittern
Weird you should mention that, as I just watched it yesterday. I'm not usually given to such extreme reactions about a film, but it was pretty unwatchable (and I say this as a horror movie aficionado, or someone who thought he was one). The relentless sadism made it less a film and more an endurance marathon of torture porn, which seemed to serve no other purpose than to revile. Thing about the Texas Chainsaw Massacre is the film is utterly beautiful, aesthetically speaking - this had no such redeeming features.

In other horror movie news, House of the Devil is great, as much for luxuriating in the 16-mm induced sense of the late 70s/early 80s as for the horror part of the film. Anyone who loves Hallowe'en will be smitten, I'd expect.

I don't think one can really make any kind of justifiable distinction between intrinsically valuable horror movies that have some kind of "redeeming features" and entirely worthless and merely voyeuristic torture porn - to make this distinction has become some kind of self-delusion of an ostensibly high-minded audience to define certain areas of on-screen deviancy that one might be legitimately fascinated by without having to feel like a pervert against other types of movies that are cheap, exploitative and just generally questionable in their intention and execution. Of course, in actuality, it's absolutely impossible to draw a clear line here. While movies of the latter kind most often really are cynical exercises in sadism tailer-made for a mostly male group of consumers, some of them, like Mum & Dad, push the genre to the very limit and, by revolting him, confront the viewer with the question what it is about horror movies that makes him enjoy them in the first place. The film in question, while - as I'm unashamed to admit - also entertaining me, made me question my own fascination with horror movies so profoundly that I've begun to wonder about the exact nature and purpose of the affect manipulation machine that is cinema in general.
 
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baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
I don't think one can really make any kind of justifiable distinction between intrinsically valuable horror movies that have some kind of "redeeming features" and entirely worthless and merely voyeuristic torture porn - to make this distinction has become some kind of self-delusion of an ostensibly high-minded audience to define certain areas of on-screen deviancy that one might be legitimately fascinated by without having to feel like a pervert against other types of movies that are cheap, exploitative and just generally questionable in their intention and execution. Of course, in actuality, it's absolutely impossible to draw a clear line here. While movies of the latter kind most often really are cynical exercises in sadism tailer-made for a mostly male group of consumers, some of them, like Mum & Dad, push the genre to the very limit and, by revolting him, confront the viewer with the question what it is about horror movies that makes him enjoy them in the first place. The film in question, while - as I'm unashamed to admit - also entertaining me, made me question my own fascination with horror movies so profoundly that I've begun to wonder about the exact nature and purpose of the affect manipulation machine that is cinema in general.

I would've agreed before yesterday.

I'm trying to put my finger on what I felt the problem was. I think what I like about horror films is being scared while being slightly distanced from reality. Take away the scares (and that film didn't scare me once) and amplify the reality, and, you're right, some very uncomfortable questions are posed. It felt like watching gratuitous torture, and I can genuinely say I didn't like it, and didn't think it had much of a commentary going on on anything either.
 
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empty mirror

remember the jackalope
Hour of the Wolf

A Bergman horror film (!); most intense pole-fishing scene in cinematic history.
Love how Bergman's shoots in low light.
And the way the wind blows seemingly on cue (Tarkovsky manages to summon elemental powers in this way).
just watched this again
it was even better totally sober
strange
 

Brother Randy Hickey

formerly Dubversion
went to see Winter's Bone earlier this week and it's an excellent film, one of the 2 or 3 best I've seen all year. Set in a meth ravaged Ozark community, it's bleak and ugly and violent but there are small kindnesses and decencies and a real heart. The lead actress is an absolute revelation, the soundtrack is great (stark mountain music for the most part) and it looks wonderful - all earth tones and lingering shots. Totally recommended, although seeing it on my birthday wasn't perhaps the smartest move...
 

slim jenkins

El Hombre Invisible
Sounds good.
Re Deadwood, I really enjoyed it, but it seemed to suffer, critically, from ultra-hype at the time to some kind of backlash later.
 

Brother Randy Hickey

formerly Dubversion
Sounds good.
Re Deadwood, I really enjoyed it, but it seemed to suffer, critically, from ultra-hype at the time to some kind of backlash later.

ah, i have no truck with that sort of hatin' - it's the critical disease. Deadwood was kinda flawed but still utterly original. I know The Wire is pretty much as good as it gets, but it is at heart a police procedural or whatever, just a million miles better than the rest. Deadwood is like nothing else IMO..
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Just watched Kick Ass with a friend of mine who's already seen it over a dozen times, mainly at the cinema. Now while I don't think I'd ever go to that extent for any film, it is actually pretty fucking good. Excellent non-annoying performance from a pre-pubescent girl (how often does that happen?) and some of best, funniest and most hardcore violence I think I've ever seen.
 

empty mirror

remember the jackalope
The Call of Cthulhu (2005)
charming; i'd unreservedly recommend this to a HP Lovecraft enthusiast
this is pretty much how the story looks in my mind's eye
and the Harryhausenesque Cthulhu is a delight (and i'd reckon good eatin' if you like briny [and chewy] foods)
my favorite thing is seeing the model Ts zooming around on the street in the background in a scene or two though i guess that is not crucial to the story (i can easily imagine the events playing out in a pre-automobile age) /tangent.
 

Brother Randy Hickey

formerly Dubversion
Just watched Kick Ass with a friend of mine who's already seen it over a dozen times, mainly at the cinema. Now while I don't think I'd ever go to that extent for any film, it is actually pretty fucking good. Excellent non-annoying performance from a pre-pubescent girl (how often does that happen?) and some of best, funniest and most hardcore violence I think I've ever seen.

i thought Kick Ass started well, ended brilliantly but had a really really dull middle reel. Agree about the girl's performance and the violence (particular highlight being when she whips that guy's gun to make him shoot himself) but it reallt lagged halfway through
 

Slothrop

Tight but Polite
I saw Up at the weekend and thought it was fantastic. Very serious themes for a kids film - old age, rememberance, obsession. Also the talking dogs were well funny.
 

empty mirror

remember the jackalope
Saw IN A LONELY PLACE finally, thanks for the recommendation Idle Rich.
It was excellent, of course.

Now... any other Nicholas Ray flicks worth checking out? Or should I stop now having seen IALP & Rebel without etc.?
 

crackerjack

Well-known member
Saw IN A LONELY PLACE finally, thanks for the recommendation Idle Rich.
It was excellent, of course.

Now... any other Nicholas Ray flicks worth checking out? Or should I stop now having seen IALP & Rebel without etc.?

Watch him act in The American Friend - a walk-on role in the best-ever Patricia Highsmith adaptation.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
"Saw IN A LONELY PLACE finally, thanks for the recommendation Idle Rich.
It was excellent, of course.

Now... any other Nicholas Ray flicks worth checking out? Or should I stop now having seen IALP & Rebel without etc.?"
No problem man - now watch Johnny Guitar.
 

grizzleb

Well-known member
I watched 'Of Time and The City' on the BBC iplayer last night and found it extraordinarily moving. I've never heard of Terence Davies before but his style left such an impression on me and exposes again how lacklustre 99% of the film/tv we're exposed to is. It had such a powerful sense of nostalgia and the way that all the different elements worked together was wonderful; his voice and narration; the images from archive footage; the soundtrack - all marvellous. If you get a chance to - watch it. It seems to be just about the best of what the BBC can offer.
 

crackerjack

Well-known member
I watched 'Of Time and The City' on the BBC iplayer last night and found it extraordinarily moving. I've never heard of Terence Davies before but his style left such an impression on me and exposes again how lacklustre 99% of the film/tv we're exposed to is. It had such a powerful sense of nostalgia and the way that all the different elements worked together was wonderful; his voice and narration; the images from archive footage; the soundtrack - all marvellous. If you get a chance to - watch it. It seems to be just about the best of what the BBC can offer.

You should certainly watch Distant Voice Still Lives then. Can't say it was really my bag, but it's kinda thing you should drop-dead lurrrrve if you like that kinda thing.
 

grizzleb

Well-known member
You should certainly watch Distant Voice Still Lives then. Can't say it was really my bag, but it's kinda thing you should drop-dead lurrrrve if you like that kinda thing.
Cheers for the recommendation - just noticed he's done a few other things. Yeah I can see why people might not like it - I was hesitant to recommend it to some friends, it's quite earnest and the like. I'll try and get a hold of 'Distant Voices'.
 
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