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    Yeats 'Easter 1916' I last night realised to be a great poem but you do have to understand a bit of the context around it to get the full effect.

    Poetry is an argument with the self, he said, and in his case it's pointedly an unresolved argument. Whereas with Milton the argument is unresolved against Milton's wishes.
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    Can we play guess the poet? Curious to what the scholars think of these.

    "“Life is a flame that flickers in the wind,
    A bird that crouches in the fowler's net—
    Nor may between her flutterings forget
    That hour the dreams of youth were unconfined.”


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    “The Grave and Cradle, the untiring twain,
    Who in the markets of this narrow lane
    Bordered of darkness, ever give and take
    In equal measure—what’s the loss or gain?

    Ay, like the circles which the sun doth spin
    Of gossamer, we end as we begin;
    Our feet are on the heads of those that pass,
    But ever their Graves around our Cradles grin.

    And what avails it then that Man be born
    To joy or sorrow?—why rejoice or mourn?
    The doling doves are calling to the rose;
    The dying rose is bleeding o’er the thorn."

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    V far from a scholar, but I'll guess Blake

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    Poetry is an argument with the self, [Yeats] said, and in his case it's pointedly an unresolved argument.
    This is a bit like what we were talking about isn't it luka? Writing as a battleground for the self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baboon2004 View Post
    V far from a scholar, but I'll guess Blake
    Nope, its a tricky one, there's no way in hell I would ever have guessed, and I know almost nothing about poetry.

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    Knowing near-nothing about poetry I did a quick google

    I'd say it's a something of a trick question

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    Great stuff though! Laudable sentiments IMO

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    Yes, it is a bit tricksy. There are both the work of Abu’l-Ala’l-Ma’arri, the 11th century Arabian atheist and anti-natalist poet.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ma%CA%BFarri

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    Quote Originally Posted by droid View Post
    Yes, it is a bit tricksy. There are both the work of Abu’l-Ala’l-Ma’arri, the 11th century Arabian atheist and anti-natalist poet.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ma%CA%BFarri
    He isn't the poet that Sebald quotes in 'Rings of Saturn' is he?

    I know there's some Arabic poetry in there... Probably something else, but it was very beautiful.

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    'Even on al-Maʿarri's epitaph, he wanted it written that his life was a wrong done by his father and not one that was done by himself.'

    Seems like a cool guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    This is a bit like what we were talking about isn't it luka? Writing as a battleground for the self.
    when i started talking about this you got scared and thought i was trying to indoctrinate you and immediately pretended you had a train to catch. ran off like a startled faun.

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    THEY are rattling breakfast plates in basement kitchens,
    And along the trampled edges of the street
    I am aware of the damp souls of housemaids
    Sprouting despondently at area gates.
    The brown waves of fog toss up to me
    Twisted faces from the bottom of the street,
    And tear from a passer-by with muddy skirts
    An aimless smile that hovers in the air
    And vanishes along the level of the roofs.

    BY T. S. ELIOT

    I wander thro' each charter'd street,
    Near where the charter'd Thames does flow.
    And mark in every face I meet
    Marks of weakness, marks of woe.

    In every cry of every Man,
    In every Infants cry of fear,
    In every voice: in every ban,
    The mind-forg'd manacles I hear

    How the Chimney-sweepers cry
    Every blackning Church appalls,
    And the hapless Soldiers sigh
    Runs in blood down Palace walls

    But most thro' midnight streets I hear
    How the youthful Harlots curse
    Blasts the new-born Infants tear
    And blights with plagues the Marriage hearse

    BY WILLIAM BLAKE

    A cliche to say it, but Blake's poems are fascinating because they appear to be simple but always contain vexations and ambiguities. Here the one I fixed upon is the meaning of the culminating stanza. Is the Harlot's curse heard by the newborn Infant? Or is the Infant 'blighted', its innocence fatally compromised, merely by existing in the same world as Harlots (and poverty in general)?
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    I was having one of my bi-monthly Lord of the Rings marathons this weekend and was half ashamed to be hipped to the power of prosody by the ring inscription (lit up ofc by Ian McKellen):

    'One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
    One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them'

    More beginner level stuff for me - recognising the power of the nasal 'find/bind' and 'darkness', the drone in 'rule - all', the forcefulness of that 'b' in 'bind'... Then I leafed through my prosody book and lay there for an hour making various noises with my mouth. 'th' with the teeth/tongue, 'n' with the nose and tongue, 'm' with the nose alone, and so on.

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    And realising why some swear words are so potent

    'FUCK'

    a fricative 'f' (a consonant sound that is created by constricting the vocal tract, causing friction as the air passes through it) to open, which you can really extend by softly biting your bottom lip and then

    can't really find out re: 'k' other than it being a 'voiceless velar stop' but obviously you can feel it coming from the tongue and the throat

    and there's a similar thing going on with 'shit' - the extendable 'sh' through the teeth followed by the intensely articulated 't'

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    I wonder if this is one reason why the word 'cunt' is so taboo - beginning more violently than 'shit' or 'fuck' with that 'k' sound (the 't' is less stressed)... OTOH, of course the word 'cock' is less taboo, so obviously there's something to do with it being about the female anatomy.

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