pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
that's the thing i find so unsettling now, it's like there's a very dark sense of humour coming up with this stuff that is actually happening. it feeds into the mass sense of confusion pretty efficiently

*shrug*
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
there's a definite phenomenon of projection on the right wing (both conscious and unconscious), such that it is obsessively - and with some success - accusing the left/'centre' of precisely those things for which it is most notorious...abusive behaviours, rampant racism etc. And I don't think that will stop.
 

pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
right now the left look just as bad as the right imo. the difference is that to manipulate the left your primary weapons are an appeal to their intellect and their sense of identity. sjw culture and id pol being the obvious egs. both of which have been so far removed from their origins that you can barely recognise them. it's pretty much just narcissism now. and then with the right it's much more meat n potatoes: fear, finance etc. lot's of cross over between the two ofc. but these seem to be the main tactics. i think it boils down to the classic conspiracy that both sides are just two arms of the same giant beast, placing the right bait to get them going at each other's throats ad infinitum.
 
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pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
also, i think we're seeing (dissensus favourite) Frank Zappa's quote coming to fruition:

The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.

we're already seeing plenty. if Epstein somehow manages to live all the way to the end of his trial (not sure how likely) i think people like Alex Jones and David Icke will suddenly start seeming much less crazy than before.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
if Epstein somehow manages to live all the way to the end of his trial (not sure how likely) i think people like Alex Jones and David Icke will suddenly start seeming much less crazy than before.

Perhaps, but isn't Jones pretty solidly pro-Trump? Or at least, I expect the vast majority of his viewers/listeners/readers are. And while Epstein may have been mates with the Clintons (those betes noires of today's conspiracy theorists), I don't believe either of them are co-implicated with Epstein to anything like the extent Trump is (tying up/beating/raping a 13-y-o girl, FFS!).

So it comes back around to the tried-and-tested method of accusing your enemies of whatever you are guilty of - a very likely serial assaulter/rapist of women (and quite possibly at least one barely pubescent girl) in the White House, while many of his biggest fans obsess over an obviously fictional child prostitution ring supposedly being run by Hilary Clinton (of all people) from the back room of a pizza joint (of all venues).
 
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baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
right now the left look just as bad as the right imo.

well, that's the right's endgame, to suggest there's no real difference between the two, to erase truth and nuance. And there is all the difference in the world between them, even if you have problems with many of the ways in which the left operate, even if you don't like figures on the left personally because you find them narcissistic or annoying or whatever. Their policies are still far more human, whereas the UK government is now a government which is at the very least very sympathetic to the far right. In some ways the difference has never been greater.
 

Leo

Well-known member
right now the left look just as bad as the right imo.

this might be true in the twitterverse and MSNBC, but the real world ain't twitter or pundit cable news programs. by that measure, democrats stand for open borders, medicare for all, free college, etc...when in fact, most polls show that actual democratic voters are not in favor of any of those proposals.

why do you think Biden is still leading the polls despite a bad debate performance?
.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
this might be true in the twitterverse and MSNBC, but the real world ain't twitter or pundit cable news programs. by that measure, democrats stand for open borders, medicare for all, free college, etc...when in fact, most polls show that actual democratic voters are not in favor of any of those proposals.

And yet this article says the majority of Americans are actually progressive on a wide range of issues:

https://www.thenation.com/article/progressive-nation-voter-suppression/

I guess it's the old thing that you can find 'survey results' that support almost any position...
 

pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
Perhaps, but isn't Jones pretty solidly pro-Trump? Or at least, I expect the vast majority of his viewers/listeners/readers are. And while Epstein may have been mates with the Clintons (those betes noires of today's conspiracy theorists), I don't believe either of them are co-implicated with Epstein to anything like the extent Trump is (tying up/beating/raping a 13-y-o girl, FFS!).

So it comes back around to the tried-and-tested method of accusing your enemies of whatever you are guilty of - a very likely serial assaulter/rapist of women (and quite possibly at least one barely pubescent girl) in the White House, while many of his biggest fans obsess over an obviously fictional child prostitution ring supposedly being run by Hilary Clinton (of all people) from the back room of a pizza joint (of all venues).

We're on opposite sides of the page here. I believe it's the other way around. I'm not sure but I don't think Trump is a rapist. What you're saying about accusing can easily be turned the other way around. Hard to know what to think imo. I do think he's a tactical pawn in a game which we'll never fully understand. Set up to fail. Guy probably never had a clue he would win. People like him are easily led. There'll be plenty of people telling him as long as he says this and does that he'll be allowed to eat all the cheeseburgers he wants to. But he could have eaten those without becoming president I hear you say. Well yeah, but he's also an egomanic and the opportunity to become the most important man on the planet would only play into his delusions. I don't for one minute think he has a fucking clue about running a country. We're living in a time when confusion is the name of the game. For the shadow government, (who JFK warned us about before being offed) Trump and all the rest of the current shenanigans are their last hope before instigating a full on military police state. All those unused weapons and something like a million US military personnel, many out in the middle east basically in training? They're going to come in pretty handy when the delusion can no longer be held up. I think we'll be seeing that happening in our lifetime.

Trump is a patsy, man. A total buffoon. He's the perfect guy to keep us all busy while the real shit goes on in the background.

To answer your thing about the whitehouse rape claim: I do know that Trump banned Epstein from Mar a Lago in the 90s for serious inappropriate behaviour toward an underage girl.

https://nypost.com/2019/07/09/trump...-from-mar-a-lago-over-sex-assault-court-docs/
https://dailycaller.com/2019/07/12/trump-confirms-epstein-banned-mar-a-lago/

I don't think he's into that kind of shit at all. I think he's too dumb for that level of perversion, sorry. I think that type of shit happens with a totally different mindset. Highly intelligent, psychotic individuals who seek to raise their power/frequency levels by exerting themselves over the weak and innocent. This is where we get into hard to believe territory: they're harvesting energy through ritualistic abuse and I'm going to guess sacrifice, too. You know how many children go missing every year? Wait a while longer and see how this Epstein thing pans out. I only have a sliver of hope that he will live and spill the beans, but hopefully there'll be enough on those videos from his safe to incriminate many many high up people. Including some very powerful people in the entertainment industries.

So yeah, I believe the Clintons are operating at the highest levels of evil. The rumours of cocaine, weapon and child trafficking have been around for years. No smoke without fire. Have you heard of frazzledrip? There's something way bigger than anyone can even imagine going on here. Bigger than the Clintons. Bigger than our basic terrestrial understanding, and I'm thinking the only people who have anywhere near the slightest clue are the people who are the most ridiculed and painted as 'crazy.' But probably even they are only grasping at a few frayed threads on the corner of an immense and ancient tapestry.

Too far fetched, right? I can only say that after doing some semi extensive reading (there's way too much to take in) and watching on it, the above is what I believe to be the case. When I look out at our world of media/internet/reality/corporatism/life. All the stuff we have to interface with daily. It's not that crazy to me to think that it's being ran by satanic groups of people who feed on our weakness to raise their own sense of personal power. This could take on many forms. Maybe there's no crazy beams of light shooting from their hands. Maybe there's no shapeshifting. Maybe there's no magic like Crowley wanted when he went to the great pyramid. Maybe it's just as simple as getting the most perverted kicks imaginable from watching the purest creatures suffer in terror at your own hands. Hard to imagine because neither you or I could ever bring ourselves to it. But look at what happens to people like Manson who were brutally abused in their childhood. You could call that demonic possession. And it doesn't have to be cartoonish. It's just very straight up evil being passed on from one entity to the next.
 

pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
well, that's the right's endgame, to suggest there's no real difference between the two, to erase truth and nuance. And there is all the difference in the world between them, even if you have problems with many of the ways in which the left operate, even if you don't like figures on the left personally because you find them narcissistic or annoying or whatever. Their policies are still far more human, whereas the UK government is now a government which is at the very least very sympathetic to the far right. In some ways the difference has never been greater.

this might be true in the twitterverse and MSNBC, but the real world ain't twitter or pundit cable news programs. by that measure, democrats stand for open borders, medicare for all, free college, etc...when in fact, most polls show that actual democratic voters are not in favor of any of those proposals.

why do you think Biden is still leading the polls despite a bad debate performance?
.

And yet this article says the majority of Americans are actually progressive on a wide range of issues:

https://www.thenation.com/article/progressive-nation-voter-suppression/

I guess it's the old thing that you can find 'survey results' that support almost any position...


I think when you get down on the ground and start talking to regular working class people, you'll find that they agree on most things. Noone wants to be fucked over by taxes, medical bills, pensions etc etc. Most people want to get on with their life in as much comfort and safety as possible. Very simple stuff. The divides are essentially invented, and most definitely exacerbated. Noone is born racist. Noone is born 'bad.' Like I said before, we're being played against ourselves (i'm a lefty with a healthy dose of realism) I know that theyre trying to play my instincts against me. I see it working on lots of people. You get one person born into one community, what are the chances they will grow up with the internalised values of that community? Obvious, right? So if you're at the top and you need people to keep playing the game you have designed to keep the them in check then you need to create conflict so that they will depend on you to help and protect them against the other side. Who is it best to keep down? The smart ones. Who is it best to keep up? The blunt minded ogres who will strike fear into the smart ones, therefore making them see the world as a big bad dangerous place where they will accept increasingly less and less control over their lives in order to feel safe against those threats. Which of course are real, but maybe not that real?
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
you just discovered Q? crazy stuff. impossible to know what to think really. e.g. they predicted john mccain's death to the exact time over a month prior to it happening.



http://robscholtemuseum.nl/indian-i...d-mccains-death-zetas-say-mccain-is-at-gitmo/

no idea what to make of that, but there it is. weird times.

that conspiracy theories are just another memory hole tactic used by the bosses, and their loyal lackies inverted representation of taking abstract processes as concrete phenomena. the theory is always revised to a t to suit whichever narritive. there has never been an invariant conspiracy theory laid down in tablets of granit that has remained monolithic and unchanged for centuries.
 

pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
Just fyi, dissensus, I have a certain level of personal experience with what I'm talking about here. So that's why this is not that far fetched to me. But I realise I'm digging my own grave here. I can only patiently wait to see what comes from the next few months. Realistically, I find it hard to imagine all of the people implicated being brought to justice. They're just too big and powerful. But the fact that even one of them has, gives me hope.
 

pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
that conspiracy theories are just another memory hole tactic used by the bosses, and their loyal lackies inverted representation of taking abstract processes as concrete phenomena. the theory is always revised to a t to suit whichever narritive. there has never been an invariant conspiracy theory laid down in tablets of granit that has remained monolithic and unchanged for centuries.

No, but allegiances to certain entities and forces have. Maybe most of the participants have no clue about the meanings and reasons, they just got corrupted and are low level. But There's not a shred of doubt in my mind right now that many things we once thought only existed in fiction are actually more true than we ever dared imagine.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
No way in hell am I buying the line that Trump is "too stupid to be a rapist" - it's hardly as if it's an activity that requires much intelligence or imagination. And if he fell out with Epstein, then so what? Perhaps there were already rumours circulating at that time and someone told him it would be good PR. Perhaps it was a rivalry over that particular girl. Perhaps he draws the line at 12-year-olds. Who knows.

What I do know is that the women accusing him surely know they've let themselves in for a lifetime of threats and harassment, at the very least.

And the idea that it's all a put-up job contradicts your "no smoke without fire" position, doesn't it? Which is untenable in itself when you look for instance at "Nick", the accuser in the UK's biggest Establishment abuse scandal, who's just been charged with perverting the course of justice, fraud and (irony of ironies) possessing kiddy porn.

Of course real abuse of the most awful sort does happen at the very highest levels of society, I wouldn't deny that for a second. The case against Cyril Smith is pretty watertight, as far as I know. And the sheer number of women accusing Trump, the risk they're putting themselves in and the fact it just fits with everything we know about him make it look pretty plausible to me.
 

pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
No way in hell am I buying the line that Trump is "too stupid to be a rapist" - it's hardly as if it's an activity that requires much intelligence or imagination. And if he fell out with Epstein, then so what? Perhaps there were already rumours circulating at that time and someone told him it would be good PR. Perhaps it was a rivalry over that particular girl. Perhaps he draws the line at 12-year-olds. Who knows.

What I do know is that the women accusing him surely know they've let themselves in for a lifetime of threats and harassment, at the very least.

And the idea that it's all a put-up job contradicts your "no smoke without fire" position, doesn't it? Which is untenable in itself when you look for instance at "Nick", the accuser in the UK's biggest Establishment abuse scandal, who's just been charged with perverting the course of justice, fraud and (irony of ironies) possessing kiddy porn.

Of course real abuse of the most awful sort does happen at the very highest levels of society, I wouldn't deny that for a second. The case against Cyril Smith is pretty watertight, as far as I know. And the sheer number of women accusing Trump, the risk they're putting themselves in and the fact it just fits with everything we know about him make it look pretty plausible to me.

Yeah, you're right man. He may well be a rapist, that takes no brains, true. But what I'm really getting at is that he isn't on the same scale as what I believe epstein and co are. The reason this is significant, in answer to your so what is that I think trump is a dumb, creepy fuck and epstein is Satan. Unimaginable level. I just don't see trump getting high off of that kind of shit.

I've had an instant reaction to any mass consensus narrative forming on this level ever since 9/11. Any media storm fed to the left should be scrutinised just as much as the glaringly obvious and ham fisted shit which is fed to the right. I just find trump too easy, too convenient for everything to be exactly what it says on the tin. This is my own personal hunch, which I have no problem being wrong about. I just think it's important to be aware of distractions, which is what I think Donald ultimately is.

For me, this epstein thing offers unprecedented hope for actual change. It will wake the whole world up if it falls as it looks like it could.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
No, but allegiances to certain entities and forces have. Maybe most of the participants have no clue about the meanings and reasons, they just got corrupted and are low level. But There's not a shred of doubt in my mind right now that many things we once thought only existed in fiction are actually more true than we ever dared imagine.

how do you know you're not corrupted then? How don't you know that being anti-conspiracy is not a corruption tactic of these mysterious entities? to create a fake opposition? just like Vlad sets up puppet left/communist opposition in russia? how do you not know these entities are using you? Isn't this just the old kind of woke elitism I've figured it out you thickos have not? at least Putin is honest about his disinformation tactics, murderous imperialist that he is. with your intangible entities we can't even be sure of that.

See, this is exactly why I'm against psychedelic culture, it mystifies high level abstract and even concrete processes into religious mythos which means the hypernostalgic impulse is once again reentrenched as an illogic and a notion. but religion in the 21st century is nothing but a consumer choice, really.
 
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pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
Good question. There's no way to know any of this stuff. It's painfully intangible. I base my own hunches on behaviour and deception patterns that seem to get repeated in combo with all the info out there. Have to try my best to discern what's good info and what's delusional. It's not exactly a science. But for eg right now, Donald is a classic cat among the pigeons. An agent of chaos. Did you ever come across that yuri bezmenov video about active measures? Ideological subversion. I think that one concept alone makes more sense of our current situ than anything else out there. Couple that with surkov advising vlad to feed the left and right, which is basically id sub, and suddenly you realise that not only do they like to play games with riddles, enigmas and mindfuck bombs hidden in plain sight, they also seem to have a really fucking dark sense of humour about it. That same shit gets transposed across all governments, but the ruskies seem to be pretty masterful. This is exactly the type of shit I could imagine people of their mental makeup and capacity getting their kicks from. Like they would find it hilarious to exacerbate the current discourse over trans rights for eg, "oh and hey why don't we plant the seed that 6 years old is the appropriate age to start hormone therapy, tee hee hee." Playing with cognitive dissonance to create an state of inbalance. Have that increase at a slow pace, aggravation bubbling under the surface of our collective conscious. This has the perfect effect of shushing the educated because they fear being ousted as a transphobic tory or bigot or whatever, it shuts down all communication. It inflates the sense of isolation we're all experiencing. And it also pits people against each other that have no business being at odds. This is the main factor at play right now if you ask me. Classic divide and conquer.

Am I sure? No. It just makes more sense to me than anything else I've come across. I don't feel good about any of this stuff. But I'd rather try to figure out the truth as best as I can. Totally happy to hear things which make more sense. That's all I can hope for.

I mean, it's a big shit sandwich.

There's a certain amount of faith in your own instincts required. I think 'they' have been whittling away at that in us for a long long time. Instincts are fucking important man. Because its designed to confuse you. It's designed to have us bicker and pick at each other.

Psychedelics open you up to some of this shit but they're not a critical factor. They do help tho.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
but you haven't developed a critique of politics. that's why you're nowhere near to the truth. I have my own base prejudices and I could be a useful idiot for whichever faction of capital but I can acknowledge I've been dooped without having a good government daddy complex about it. for me all politics even before these techniques were pioneered (they aren't really innovations in my book) is a load of horseshit. civil society in other words is a sham and those who are the most protagonistic are those not of civil society. and you're unlikely to find them dropping acid these days.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
I still haven't seen any transfeminists advocate hormone therapy at 6 years old. people should have the opportunity to explore their gender. it's not for everyone and there are those who end up detransitioning but the radical feminist take on this is incredibly toxic and patriarchal, overeducated tories or not.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Psychedelics open you up to some of this shit but they're not a critical factor. They do help tho.

correct, in the same way that lord of the flies open you up. without the right stimuli they can open you up to what if everything is fucked? type national eco conservatism.
 
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