thirdform

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luke knows the terror trip that's why he says what I've been saying in less political wankspeak terms. that conspiracy theories are a representation of real phenomena in a hyper-ideological form, not an anti-ideological form as your disinformation man would have it.
 

pattycakes_

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Idk third man, most of what you're saying here I agree with. Some of it seems to be an argument against things I didn't say.

Why do I need a critique of politics though? For me it's a schauspiel, a theatre. No truth spoken. A waste of our time. It's all lies and bullshit. People who don't abide by the rules they implement. What more do I need to know? Genuine q.

And are you telling me you don't think everything is fucked?

For me it is as fucked as it always was but we just get to see it much more now because of the net.
 

thirdform

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you need to know that true politics will never exist. not doesn't exist. the two are different.

pessimism>idealism.
 

thirdform

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Why do I need a critique of politics though? For me it's a schauspiel, a theatre. No truth spoken. A waste of our time. It's all lies and bullshit. People who don't abide by the rules they implement. What more do I need to know? Genuine q.

civil society or the state is incapable of speaking truth. if you were in that position you'd be just as narcissistic as trump or putin. boiling this down to individual psychological motivations is so reductive in the extreme, it's what fascists do with their new virtuous aristocrat of the soul. incidentally this is why they picked up many middle class ex-communists, because said people had not developed a critique of political mechanisms and the states integral role in capitalist production. hence they saw Hitler as cutting through the lies/crap bullshit.

who are these entities you speak of? To me Putin is not much different than any other politician, the difference is that he can play to westerners russophobia. just like erdogan knows how to exploit anti-turkish sentiment and how the brits know how to exploit islamophobia, but westerners can of course ignore that because that takes place away from them in the clustered middle east.
 
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thirdform

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how can you expect me to take ideological subversion seriously when I never believe there was ever a pure democracy ideal or notion to corrupt?
 

thirdform

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it's like bloody petrie hosken getting irate on bbc radio london about how people died so we could get the vote and it's like ok i get your husband has never snorted any gak but i can show some delights of the flesh on the down low if u want, just means you have to give me reports about what goes on at the bbc ldn studios in the morning.
 

pattycakes_

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Again I'm mostly agreeing with what you're saying here man.

how can you expect me to take ideological subversion seriously when I never believe there was ever a pure democracy ideal or notion to corrupt?

It's not just about democracy. It's about people's perception of reality.

Never heard of Falconer

Edit: the entities are not human, man.
 
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thirdform

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It's not just about democracy. It's about people's perception of reality.

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well that's all class ideologies isn't it (including mixed economy capitalist socialism.) and proles can also be ardent proponents of these ideologies as they are a byproduct of this social production. They have existed as a byproduct of production and social intercourse for millennia to alter peoples sense of reality. including certain aspects of organised religion. nothing new here. the only reason why people get angsty about it now is that they want to subconsciously identify with the oppressor subject. not to get all psychoanalytic, like. And I don't absolve myself of this either though i try and be mindful of it.
 
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pattycakes_

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we don't believe in love on dissensus. it's a love free zone. thankfully.

Bollocks. Half the music on here wouldn't exist without it. What would black music be without love, religion and superstition? What would most electronic music be without black music? What would most 20th century Western music be without black music?
 
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Leo

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was actually just taking the piss, about how the dissensus massive probably aren't a bunch of highly-competitive, high-achieving type-A personalities.

that aside, I do think that quote is valid.
 
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