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    Dunno if this belongs here, exactly, but - fucking hell.

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    It's not outrageous to suggest that conspiracy theories can be problematic, nor that they have an important relationship with antisemitism (in may ways the paradigmatic conspiracy theory), nor is it outrageous to attempt to theorise conspiracy theories themselves, as Marlon -- who happens to be an old friend of mine -- does in the piece on Channel 4. On the other hand, what conspiracy theorists do understand (intuitively, maybe) is the consensus nature of society, and the fragility and sometimes irrationality of that consensus.
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    Interesting that conspiracy theorists are increasingly blamed for the fragile nature of the social consensus. "Conspiracy theories" will perhaps become the biggest conspiracy theory of all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vimothy View Post
    Interesting that conspiracy theorists are increasingly blamed for the fragile nature of the social consensus. "Conspiracy theories" will perhaps become the biggest conspiracy theory of all.
    good comment

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    Weinstein scandal is also an interesting case study of collusion.

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    https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

    this is referenced in the comments and will be of particular interest to danny l

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

    this is referenced in the comments and will be of particular interest to danny l
    Glenn Greenwald is a Russia apologist though

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    that's not relevant in this instance.

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    This article http://www.private-eye.co.uk/hp-sauce proper gives me the heeby jeebies and will for you too unless you have a stronger stomach than i (even if you read it in the Hislop voice)

    Legatum goes global
    Hard Brexit, Issue 1454
    FOR a think tank few have heard of, the Legatum Institute has a lot of influence. Funded with £4m a year from secretive billionaire Christopher Chandler, its surveys are namechecked by newspaper columnists, while it promotes the hard Brexit cause from its Mayfair offices.

    As the Eye went to press, Legatum was planning to show its pulling power at the Conservative party conference, where Boris Johnson would be star speaker at a Legatum rally on how to create a “Global Britain”. If Johnson resigns from government to lead a right-wing assault on Theresa May, he will make good use of Legatum’s argument that no compromise that leaves Britain “locked in” to EU regulations or standards is acceptable.

    The think-tank was not always a home for EU rejectionists. Until September 2016 it supported liberal ideas and employed acclaimed US historian Anne Applebaum and Peter Pomerantsev, an authority on oppression in Putin’s Russia. Then Baroness (Philippa) Stroud took over. Best known as an ally of Iain Duncan Smith, she had little time for colleagues who worried Brexit might go wrong. “Almost the entire staff has left or been fired,” one ex-Legatum employee tells the Eye. “Some agreed to be fired or even jockeyed to be fired in order to be paid off.”

    Right-wing ministers
    In their place have come the hardmen and women of the Tory right. Toby Baxendale, who helped run Andrea Leadsom’s Tory leadership campaign, is a trustee. Matthew Elliott, chief executive of Vote Leave, is a senior fellow, along with Tim Montgomerie, founder of Conservative Home, who recently accused the BBC of “looking unpatriotic” when it reported that the French were poaching jobs from post-Brexit Britain.

    Right-wing ministers have welcomed Legatum’s “expertise”. It’s not just Johnson who entertains its gurus. Shanker Singham, Legatum’s director of economic policy, has advised David Davis and Liam Fox. Although the media describe Singham as a “former US trade negotiator”, a former US trade official told the Times: “He didn’t negotiate anything.” To imply that he was an authority on trade deals was “a bit of a stretch”.

    Although Montgomerie plays the patriotic card, no organisation could be further from Britain than the Legatum Institute. It is funded by a foundation registered in Bermuda and controlled by a company in the Cayman Islands. Behind it stands Christopher Chandler, a remarkably shy billionaire from New Zealand. With his brother Richard, he turned a family inheritance of $10m into $5bn. They have given just one press interview in the 21st century – to Institutional Investor in 2006. Even then, Richard did most of the talking.

    The Chandlers’ Sovereign Global Investment made money by finding undervalued assets the rest of market ignored, Richard explained – “transition economies or distressed sectors where information is not easily available and standard metrics don’t apply”. Sovereign was one of the first funds to pile into Brazil when the country opened to outside investors in 1991. It moved into Russia after the collapse of communism, and bought up assets in Japan and Korea during the banking crisis of the early 2000s.

    The idea that investors could swoop on cheap assets after Brexit wrecks the British economy is, of course, so preposterous no sane person could entertain it. For, as no less a statesman than Boris Johnson told the Telegraph: “I am here to tell you that this country will succeed in its new national enterprise, and succeed mightily.” Who can doubt it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vimothy View Post
    Weinstein scandal is also an interesting case study of collusion.
    I just read the fairly extensive New Yorker piece on him: https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...-their-stories

    Just unbelievable - except, of course, it's totally believable. Seems like he's been a serial groper/bully/rapist of Cosbyish proportions for decades.

    Cyril Smith and Edward Heath back in the news this week, too. The upper echelons of power and wealth are actually just packed to the rafters with rapists and nonces, aren't they? This is what makes conspiridiocy like 'Pizzagate' and the 'Satanic ritual abuse' panics of the 80s and 90s all the more galling, as they muddy the waters and make it that much harder for genuine sex-abuse conspiracies to be taken seriously and perhaps eventually confronted.

    I still hold some hope that something may come of the multiple accusations of rape and sexual assault made against Trump.
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    not to derail but...it is certainly enormously difficult for a woman to come forward and accuse a powerful figure like weinstein, and as is often the case (thankfully) more of them seem to come out to corroborate stories once the brave first few come forward.

    but what about all the men in hollywood? actors, the agents and managers who sent actresses to private meetings with weinstein, knowing full well what could very likely happen, all the studio heads, etc. days after the news breaks, all these actors come out and say (usually still off the record) how it was a well-known secret in the industry, everyone had heard stories, etc.

    fuck those appeasers. they can spin it however they like but the bottom line is they looked the other way to sexual assault and shut up for their own self interest. even if they didn't have the balls to speak out on the record, they could have leaked stories to media or staged some sort of intervention with harvey long ago. fuck all the men of hollywood who knew about it and did nothing to stand in his way.

    sorry to vent.

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