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craner
Beast of Burden
Padraig, I know everyone is politely ignoring your renewed presence (and it's not just a bit sad you came back here with a new name) and this goes against the whole (ahem) 'Dissensus code of behaviour' or whatever but you are such an astonishing prick that it deserves mention. I mean, in real life, do you actually have any friends? Do you talk to people like this?
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droid
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Im actually impressed he's managed to keep a lid on that full blown psychosis of his. He must have changed his medication.
Wheres the arrogant, self-obsessed and randomly abusive Padraig that we knew and loved? - More importantly, does this mean that we can all rip the shit out of Matt Woebot, threaten to hack the board and physically threaten other members without fear of censure? (just as long as we slink back here under another ID of course.)
Cmon everyone - express your contempt freely! After all, 'niceness' is a waste of time when you already know that youre smarter than everyone else in the room...
john eden
male pale and stale
A few posters have come back under new names. So far they have behaved themselves (or at least not manifested the behaviour which got them banned in the first place), so I am personally happy with that.
Certainly I can't be arsed cross-referring all the IP addresses here on a daily basis (though I do when someone has just been banned and I think they might try to come back in).
Having said that, I would personally afford them less leeway than posters who have not previously been banned.
If you find any posting objectionable (rather than individual posters) then please use the "report post" function.
Similarly if anyone feels personally aggrevied that previously banned posters have returned, then take it up with the moderators.
Certainly I can't be arsed cross-referring all the IP addresses here on a daily basis (though I do when someone has just been banned and I think they might try to come back in).
Having said that, I would personally afford them less leeway than posters who have not previously been banned.
If you find any posting objectionable (rather than individual posters) then please use the "report post" function.
Similarly if anyone feels personally aggrevied that previously banned posters have returned, then take it up with the moderators.
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droid
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John Eden - King of the Mods for a reason! 
My name is Ian Town, and I am a member of Workers Power - the only credible alternative to state capitalism and by far the fastest growing and most dynamic part on the British Left.
Moderators or not, it's come to our attention that a number of posts on this forum are extremely disturbing in their casual acceptance / lauding of fascism. For this reason, we will be closely monitoring this site and will not hesitate to take further action if this behaviour continues or intensifies. We adhere to a strict policy of challenging fascists wherever they crop up, be it on the streets or over the world wide web.
Please consider this in future.
Ian Town
www.workerspower.com
Moderators or not, it's come to our attention that a number of posts on this forum are extremely disturbing in their casual acceptance / lauding of fascism. For this reason, we will be closely monitoring this site and will not hesitate to take further action if this behaviour continues or intensifies. We adhere to a strict policy of challenging fascists wherever they crop up, be it on the streets or over the world wide web.
Please consider this in future.
Ian Town
www.workerspower.com
You can keep up to date with all the relevant news and information at our website, www.workerspower.com. I dare say your readers will find more relevant and challenging information there than "what hat should I wear" (HOW ABOUT A HAT MARKED "WILFULL IGNORANCE" - ARE YOU AWARE OF THE CURRENT SMEAR CAMPAIGN AGAINST IRAN AND THIS SO-CALLED "HOLOCAUST CONFERENCE"????)
I refer to this muck - http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=4487&highlight=iran
John Eden IP noted
Ian Town
www.workerspower.com
I refer to this muck - http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=4487&highlight=iran
John Eden IP noted
Ian Town
www.workerspower.com
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droid
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Uh oh, here we go again... Padraig vs the world pt2! (with added spinelessness and identity spoofing)
Not - may I hasten to add, before some subservient to Tory Tony jumps in - that we are in favour of the development of nuclear weapons - the solution is for Iranian workers to link up with their British counterparts and, under our guidance, launch a broad attack on both country's puppetmasters.
Ian Town
www.workerspower.com
Ian Town
www.workerspower.com
Padraig vs the world pt2! (with added spinelessness and identity spoofing)
Padraig? So, I have Irish blood - and you choose to throw this in my face with a cheap insult?? Why not just call me Thick Mick or Paddy.
How comes you know so much about me anyway? Have the lackeys of RedWatch spread their tentacles of infiltration so far across the world wide web, so soon?
Droid IP noted.
ONE SOLUTION - REVOLUTION
Ian Town
www.workerspower.com
Dear Anthony Eden (nice name for a TORY!!)
Our membership is growing daily, as workers across the world, SICK of the false choices being offered to them by the pathetic debris of parliamentary politics, join up to the only progressive and revolution-oriented force currently active.
This is not counting the numbers of dedicated students and young workers who currently comprise membership of our youth wing, REVOLUTION - www.worldrevolution.org.uk.
We don't tend to release figures, at least not to people we don't know (and certainly not until we've analysed their agendas). Comfort yourself with this fact - EVERY worker around the world is part of WORKERS POWER. How can you put a number on the rising tide of class solidarity revolt currently spreading across the globe?
For now, we remain the vanguard, and will continue to provide the guiding light to this groundswell of resistance.
Ian Town
www.workerspower.com
www.worldrevolution.org.uk
Kitten Pinder was a SAD DESPERATE MEDIA WHORE.
I can see what you're trying to do though. Maybe you should tell your Special Branch paymasters the training's not working - or maybe you're so used to hounding the Respect* lame-os that you're shocked to come across a militant able to out-fox you?
Yes, nice try, sir. But you'll have to try harder to get information on our growing and dynamic membership.
Ian Town
www.workerspower.com
(*Respect does not identify itself as a working class party, despite the fact that George Galloway was a long-time Labour MP and the organisational core of Respect is the membership of the Socialist Workers Party. In fact Respect it is an alliance between the SWP and a series of religiously based organisations - local mosques and sections of the Muslim Association of Britain. The constituencies where it has made its breakthrough are all strongly Muslim areas.
Of course revolutionaries should not turn their back on Muslim areas. The Muslim population, the majority of whom are working class, is one of the most discriminated against and racially abused in Britain. Revolutionaries always side with the most oppressed and seek to draw them into the workers movement and into its vanguard.
The error that the SWP made was to seek out an alliance with Muslim people not on the basis of class politics but on a less than working class, less than socialist platform. In Lindsey German's words at its foundation conference, Respect set out to be "less socialist" than the left reformist Socialist Alliance had been.
Respect's political programme was trimmed to win middle class support within the Muslim community. When it comes to the question of the alternative society Respect is fighting for, it dodges the fundamental question: private property or socialised property? The expropriation of the capitalist class as a whole is not and cannot be raised.
Respect's manifesto does have a single paragraph aimed at attracting Old Labour supporters. It talks about the "organisation of society in the most open, democratic, participative, and accountable way practicable based on common ownership and democratic control" But ownership of and control over what? This is evasive. At least the famous Labour Party Clause Four called for "common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange".
Mosques, just like churches and synagogues, contain a mixture of working class and middle class people. The SWP talks of how many worshipers in the mosque are workers. This is beside the point. In all religious communities, business people (small or large scale), doctors and lawyers call the shots.
For many decades Jewish and Irish immigrants were overwhelmingly working class too. But no revolutionaries ever thought that they could form an electoral alliance, a proto-party with the synagogues or the catholic churches.
Socialists must be for secular education and women's liberation. All religions embody undemocratic teachings on these issues. Respect was downplaying women's rights from the outset. When it used the slogan "a woman's right to choose" it meant to choose to wear the hijab but not to choose to have an abortion. The Respect election manifesto had "Respect for..." sections for every sector of the population. But no "Respect for women"!
Galloway stressed whenever he could his profound religious faith and his opposition to abortion. Respect supporters in the mosques advertised these positions as reasons to vote for him. The SWP never uttered a single word of criticism of their allies' socially reactionary views. The best they could be made to do was to claim they were only his personal views. However, Lindsey German hastened to clarify that, when issues like that came up in the House of Commons, Respect was in favour of a free vote, allowing George to follow his conscience.
The fall in support for Labour in key sections of the working class presents massive opportunities for socialists to rally the most progressive sections to a new working class party. Respect's high vote is clear evidence of this. But by channelling this discontent into a cross-class populist vehicle, the SWP and Galloway are frittering away the chance to build a mass working class alternative to Blair.
That's why Workers Power is absolutely right to oppose Respect, and to refuse to advocate a vote for Respect candidates. We will continue instead to fight for the foundation of a new working class party, and for a revolutionary socialist programme)
I can see what you're trying to do though. Maybe you should tell your Special Branch paymasters the training's not working - or maybe you're so used to hounding the Respect* lame-os that you're shocked to come across a militant able to out-fox you?
Yes, nice try, sir. But you'll have to try harder to get information on our growing and dynamic membership.
Ian Town
www.workerspower.com
(*Respect does not identify itself as a working class party, despite the fact that George Galloway was a long-time Labour MP and the organisational core of Respect is the membership of the Socialist Workers Party. In fact Respect it is an alliance between the SWP and a series of religiously based organisations - local mosques and sections of the Muslim Association of Britain. The constituencies where it has made its breakthrough are all strongly Muslim areas.
Of course revolutionaries should not turn their back on Muslim areas. The Muslim population, the majority of whom are working class, is one of the most discriminated against and racially abused in Britain. Revolutionaries always side with the most oppressed and seek to draw them into the workers movement and into its vanguard.
The error that the SWP made was to seek out an alliance with Muslim people not on the basis of class politics but on a less than working class, less than socialist platform. In Lindsey German's words at its foundation conference, Respect set out to be "less socialist" than the left reformist Socialist Alliance had been.
Respect's political programme was trimmed to win middle class support within the Muslim community. When it comes to the question of the alternative society Respect is fighting for, it dodges the fundamental question: private property or socialised property? The expropriation of the capitalist class as a whole is not and cannot be raised.
Respect's manifesto does have a single paragraph aimed at attracting Old Labour supporters. It talks about the "organisation of society in the most open, democratic, participative, and accountable way practicable based on common ownership and democratic control" But ownership of and control over what? This is evasive. At least the famous Labour Party Clause Four called for "common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange".
Mosques, just like churches and synagogues, contain a mixture of working class and middle class people. The SWP talks of how many worshipers in the mosque are workers. This is beside the point. In all religious communities, business people (small or large scale), doctors and lawyers call the shots.
For many decades Jewish and Irish immigrants were overwhelmingly working class too. But no revolutionaries ever thought that they could form an electoral alliance, a proto-party with the synagogues or the catholic churches.
Socialists must be for secular education and women's liberation. All religions embody undemocratic teachings on these issues. Respect was downplaying women's rights from the outset. When it used the slogan "a woman's right to choose" it meant to choose to wear the hijab but not to choose to have an abortion. The Respect election manifesto had "Respect for..." sections for every sector of the population. But no "Respect for women"!
Galloway stressed whenever he could his profound religious faith and his opposition to abortion. Respect supporters in the mosques advertised these positions as reasons to vote for him. The SWP never uttered a single word of criticism of their allies' socially reactionary views. The best they could be made to do was to claim they were only his personal views. However, Lindsey German hastened to clarify that, when issues like that came up in the House of Commons, Respect was in favour of a free vote, allowing George to follow his conscience.
The fall in support for Labour in key sections of the working class presents massive opportunities for socialists to rally the most progressive sections to a new working class party. Respect's high vote is clear evidence of this. But by channelling this discontent into a cross-class populist vehicle, the SWP and Galloway are frittering away the chance to build a mass working class alternative to Blair.
That's why Workers Power is absolutely right to oppose Respect, and to refuse to advocate a vote for Respect candidates. We will continue instead to fight for the foundation of a new working class party, and for a revolutionary socialist programme)
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dubversion
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Oh jesus
God, you're a twit. If any thing is a deterrent to workers' unity it's self-righteous, masturbatory twaddle like this. You're the PR Wing, are you?
mistersloane
heavy heavy monster sound
I'd like to offer free sexual services to our brothers and sisters of the world revolution if that's any help.
hundredmillionlifetimes
Banned
Correction
The post to which you are responding here was actually posted by Zhao [http://www.dissensus.com/member.php?u=761], not by hundredmillionlifetimes, and we would therefore be obliged if you could edit accordingly, especially as it has provoked a paranoid, conspiracy-theory neurosis from the forum's resident flamers.
The post to which you are responding here was actually posted by Zhao [http://www.dissensus.com/member.php?u=761], not by hundredmillionlifetimes, and we would therefore be obliged if you could edit accordingly, especially as it has provoked a paranoid, conspiracy-theory neurosis from the forum's resident flamers.
john eden
male pale and stale
Im actually impressed he's managed to keep a lid on that full blown psychosis of his. He must have changed his medication.
Wheres the arrogant, self-obsessed and randomly abusive Padraig that we knew and loved?
I'm not sure that alluding to alleged mental health issues and the medication thereof is going to help the stability of this forum, incidentally.
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