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    a discussion at work eventually came round to this: is it possible to actually like poetry or do people only like individual poems? i've tried hard and i must have a hundred collections but even the 'big boys' - Hughes, Heaney, Larkin, Dylan Thomas, Baudelaire,Rimbaud, Shakespeare - seem to have an awful lot of filler in amongst all the hits. despite the fact that i've always considered myself as someone who likes poetry i can't really claim to like more than 50 poems...am i the only one or is quality control something that poetry thinks it transcends?

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    by chance i attended some poetry readings recently at a translation/linguistics do...

    choman hardi
    richard mckane
    nii parkes
    negar hasan-zadeh

    i thoroghly appreciated the recitations, chatted intelligently to some of the poets & it made me remember how much i enjoy poetry, here's 1 i blogged by N‚zim Hikmet , translated by richard

    In the 21st century soundbites are getting slimmer and slimmer, i reckon i haven't read a book for maybe 6 months, so for me poetry fits with our transitory enjoyment of floating memes - e.g the blog entry, the newspaper article, the C&P email or bbs post, just maybe slightly more profound, more abstract...

    thass why i try to check rumi often...

    course you all are into grime innit - what is that apart from 'shouted word' poetry over riddim, no? you're already on the cutting edge!
    it's beautiful the way they talk about bars, makes me think of shakespeare & traditional poesy....

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    Quote Originally Posted by sufi
    course you all are into grime innit - what is that apart from 'shouted word' poetry over riddim, no? you're already on the cutting edge!
    it's beautiful the way they talk about bars, makes me think of shakespeare & traditional poesy....

    mmm, i smell another dylan vs keats mash up...

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    did anyone see sam cooke biography last night
    sam heard "blowin in the wind" & said it should have been written by a black person
    so he wrote "change is gonna come"
    Last edited by sufi; 11-12-2004 at 10:24 PM.

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    [QUOTE=sufi]In the 21st century soundbites are getting slimmer and slimmer, i reckon i haven't read a book for maybe 6 months, so for me poetry fits with our transitory enjoyment of floating memes - e.g the blog entry, the newspaper article, the C&P email or bbs post, just maybe slightly more profound, more abstract...

    Yes its relative brevity could be a strength, but poetry by its nature is also the antithesis of the soundbite. Where spin and lazy journalism corrupt and debase language, evacuate it, shackle it to the instrumental, poetry, if its doing what its supposed to be doing, fortifies the space of language, preserving it from the machinations of the Man by supercharging it sonically, materially, semantically and philosophically. Poetry - of whatever kind - is where the word lives, particularly when language under threat, as in this society.

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    Thanks Melmoth i may well stick that on my classroom wall - if that's ok by you - as long as you don't feel it would seem like being hijacked by the 'Man'

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenks
    Thanks Melmoth i may well stick that on my classroom wall - if that's ok by you - as long as you don't feel it would seem like being hijacked by the 'Man'

    Thanks Jenks - I'd be well chuffed

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    gosh this thread should have gone places

    i am an avid reader of poetry (and have been)
    i have been reading poetry to my newborn, adult stuff, out loud and i am finding that reading them aloud (which i haven't done in ages) really enhances my enjoyment and is steering my taste from poetry of the page (cummings, for one) to poetry of the ear

    lately, i've come around to WD Snodgrass, the OG confessional poet, who often writes rhyming poems. when i first started reading him (in my head), the rhymes seemed corny, but reading him aloud, i GET it:



    please indulge me by reading that one aloud

    also, i have been returning to Elizabeth Bishop and John Ashberry after having been lost in the woods of the L*A*N*G*U*A*G*E poets

    and i have been reading Sylvia Plath's Daddy to my newborn (named after the poet)----kinda funny because it is a cruel poem about an apparently hated father

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    Reading poems aloud is one of life's great pleasures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vimothy View Post
    Reading poems aloud is one of life's great pleasures.
    and learning them by heart...

    I had written a whole load more but my computer decided to delete it probably because it as a bit crap - I like all sorts and am finding i like well made simple stuff the older i get - Cavafy for example

    I'd also say check out Luka's stuff which is about as different from my tiny domestic things as you can get

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    About 5% of the poems I write strike my as any good at the time of writing. Of those, about 5% still strike me as any good about a month later. And I don't write that many poems, so it's slim pickings really.

    I haven't gone off this one yet:


    that fond dreamís dashed
    insolence makes good
    copy in this morningís
    round-up to not quite

    not yet but soon
    remastered with aplomb
    a hunched ongoing
    catastrophe in slow

    sleeting agon
    slicked off again
    in durable mettle
    with sighs spanning

    * * *

    My absolute favourite thing of J. H. Prynne's is the title of "Her Weasels Wild Returning".
    militant dysphoria: cold world
    anguished shrieks: spiral jacobs
    Cheery melodies: Globes of Venus

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    Perhaps a bit mannered?

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    hmm... never posted my poems on the internet before. this one is almost three years old, back when i composed these things on the computer. now i use pen and ink, longhand:

    One tree fell into another so that it rested in its bent elbow, cradled. Brief light on the rocks high on the ridge of the gorge. The ground still wet. The sticks brittle. Roots wondering about soil. Red berries on branches and something green and bright on weathered logs, limbless, crumbling and soft. A thorny arm reached up and waited leafless. The water gathered and roamed over dirt and rocks. Some bricks were stacked deep in the soil. A house for rainwater to seep through.


    I think my poems are more whimsical now, tinged with nostalgia about basement heavy metal bands.

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    I am a poetry scholar, so any questions...I am here to help!

    Ted Hughes bad, Frank O Hara good.

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    i love frank ohara's... facility and economy
    and immediacy

    rm rilke's panther blows my doors off

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