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    Default Little Bit of British Culture gone Forever

    Hazi Fantasi miming b*ttom sex to Shiny Shiny
    Darryl Pandy sequinned up rolling on the floor (ushering in House) with Love Can't Turn Around
    All About Eve fluffing it
    Jah Wobble sitting on a chair (seemed revolutionary at the time) to P.I.L's Death Disco
    Cockney Rejects "youthful exhuberance"


    goodbye Top of the Pops..

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    A sad example of what happens to a perfectly decent programme when idiots decide to fuck with the formula.

    If TOTP had stayed with its original remit - to show what was selling in the charts that particular week, irrespective of genre or "coolness" - it would have remained a strong and successful programme.

    Even when the focus of the singles chart changed from actual sales to major record company marketing priorities, they could have adapted with the changing market.

    The end result was that the BBC's Cool Police thought they knew best, and people tuning into the show were bewildered and tuned straight out again because they had no specific idea of what it was supposed to be about - unlike programmes such as CD:UK which did stick to the chart, and you knew what you were getting when you watched it.

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    808 State and The Stone Roses on in the same week, way back when I was still in school. A good memory that...

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    The Jam, The Specials, The Beat, Soft Cell, Associates, Fun Boy 3, ABC, Blondie, Imagination, Smiths, New Order, Whistle, Killing Joke, The Cure, Siouxsie, Altern 8, 808 State, Stone Roses, Happy Mondays...


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    The thing is its almost like they wanted to kill it, shifting it to a gash time slot on a Sunday night, giving it the worst possible presenters... even if they needed to radically change the format (and as Marcello says, that is not a given) the IP of the brand name "Top of the Pops" must be worthy of some serious effort. This is the BBC at their most pathetic and half-arsed.

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    me and my sister used to get especially dressed up in disco clothes for totp when we were little, infact the first time i saw my auntie she was on this programme in the crowd, she lived in london we lived in cornwall and she didn't come down often.

    i think all the wrong decisions killed off the show, but then again music is everywhere, mtv, mobiles phones, computers its pretty much become this strange anomaly, but it's all its own doing.

    What do you think the perogatives of up and coming bands will be now? you didn't get paid to do it, it costs bands a bit to appear live, while a t-mobile gig (basically an advertisment for their product) will earn a band 50,000 for nothing but playing live for a bit. ad companies are setting up fake bands to sell products, might even see myspace etc moving into digital releases etc.. esp as the rules are anything on myspace becomes property of myspace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mms
    me and my sister used to get especially dressed up in disco clothes for totp when we were little, infact the first time i saw my auntie she was on this programme in the crowd, she lived in london we lived in cornwall and she didn't come down often.

    i think all the wrong decisions killed off the show, but then again music is everywhere, mtv, mobiles phones, computers its pretty much become this strange anomaly, but it's all its own doing.

    What do you think the perogatives of up and coming bands will be now? you didn't get paid to do it, it costs bands a bit to appear live, while a t-mobile gig (basically an advertisment for their product) will earn a band 50,000 for nothing but playing live for a bit. ad companies are setting up fake bands to sell products, might even see myspace etc moving into digital releases etc.. esp as the rules are anything on myspace becomes property of myspace.
    That stuff about myspace property rights has been refuted.

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    I really think TOTP had become an exercise in nostalgia, and I think this thread demonstrates that. The 5-15 audience is amply satisfied by The Hits / TMF / MTV which more than delivers on the "what's selling now" proposition; TOTP is pretty much irrelevant. If I'd have been in the meeting, I'd have voted to kill it too - though I'd have argued for a TOTP-branded web channel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2stepfan
    I really think TOTP had become an exercise in nostalgia, and I think this thread demonstrates that. The 5-15 audience is amply satisfied by The Hits / TMF / MTV which more than delivers on the "what's selling now" proposition; TOTP is pretty much irrelevant. If I'd have been in the meeting, I'd have voted to kill it too - though I'd have argued for a TOTP-branded web channel.
    but if thats the case, why do formats like cd-uk still get loads of viewers when essentially they are doing a straight run-down of the charts? surely your argument points to them messing with a perfectly good format as being the real reason for its downfall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bassnation
    but if thats the case, why do formats like cd-uk still get loads of viewers when essentially they are doing a straight run-down of the charts?
    You don't think CD:UK is under pressure as well? It still turns a profit in the Saturday morning slot and the tween / teen market is one of the few on offer at that time, but the shrinking audience and splintering media landscape that afflicts TOTP also affects CD:UK. It's all about multichannel to reach that audience now so expect something like a MySpace / CD:UK cross over show to hit us in the next 18 months.

    Fuck, I should be dusting off the business plans from 1995...

    Quote Originally Posted by bassnation
    surely your argument points to them messing with a perfectly good format as being the real reason for its downfall.
    I unfashionably believe that their format refreshment worked fairly well especially when you look at the dips and rises in the viewing figures. Good correlation with each refresh. But the changes in demography were relentless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2stepfan
    I unfashionably believe that their format refreshment worked fairly well especially when you look at the dips and rises in the viewing figures. Good correlation with each refresh. But the changes in demography were relentless.
    ok fair enough. the few times i tuned in after the revamp, it made me feel like my dad. bemusement at the music and because they seemed to have roped in children to present it. i'll get back to me pipe and slippers.

    it is sad though, a milestone in the world changing around us. just got to keep keeping on with however it develops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2stepfan
    I unfashionably believe that their format refreshment worked fairly well
    That's just because you fancy Fern Cotton tho.

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    All we need now is to find that Russell T Davies figure who will triumphantly resuscitate the programme and make everybody want to watch it. Any volunteers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rachel Verinder
    All we need now is to find that Russell T Davies figure who will triumphantly resuscitate the programme and make everybody want to watch it. Any volunteers?
    not to take this discussion wildly off-topic but i feel russell t davies has fucked up the 2nd series - what the hell is the doctor doing snogging various people through history? its just not right.

    granted, davies was scathing about old skool fans "percieving the doctors asexuality as a reflection of themselves" but as far as i'm concerned its turning into a fucking soap, which is just silly. its no longer required viewing of a saturday night.

    in addition, the format of hour long stories in one episode seems suited to attention deficit disorder sufferers - and that takes us right back to the multi-channel bite-sized culture with an attention span of a gnat. i watched genesis of the daleks on dvd recently and it was a pleasure to view a long drawn-out well construcuted story that actually engages your brain.

    cheers

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    The major two problems with the current Doctor Who series:

    (a) in terms of structure, as Bassnation pointed out, it is turning into Quantum Leap.
    (b) I cannot stand David Tennant.

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