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    Quote Originally Posted by confucius
    sorry, but I don't have time to break it down or site medical references. all I can say is millions of colon cancer victims don't lie. and my personal experiences sure as HELL don't lie.

    in the past 2 years or so I've realized that some of the very basic assumptions we have about our bodies are completely wrong.

    if you are interested in this, just go do some research.
    I'm not doubting that high fat, high meat diets are linked with colon cancer. I'm simply disputing the claim that "meat stays in your gut for years and years".

    Here's a recent thing from the BBC which explains the uncertainties in causes of bowel cancer linked to meat that I mentioned:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4088824.stm

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    Quote Originally Posted by droid
    yes, they can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tryptych View Post
    Here's a recent thing from the BBC which explains the uncertainties in causes of bowel cancer linked to meat that I mentioned:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4088824.stm
    is it me or is this article entirely about scientists being much more certain now than ever before about the link between red-meat and cancer?

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    whatever happened to eating for pleasure? i'll have my bacon, thank you.

    show me a study that measures the ratio of malaise to well-being resulting from eating bacon, i could volunteer to skew the results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruno View Post
    whatever happened to eating for pleasure?=
    I'm all for it. but you see, pleasure does not mean following your immediate, "fake" and "manufactured" desire and every momentary whim -- cheeseburgers at 4 AM all drunk and stoned. that is just vulger. not to mention destructive.

    real culinary pleasure comes from eating consciously, and like all great pleasures that life has to offer, requires a bit of patience, a process of discovery, and discipline.

    stuffing yourself with disgusting crap when ever you feel like it is NOT eating for pleasure -- it is addiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhao View Post
    I'm all for it. but you see, pleasure does not mean following your immediate, "fake" and "manufactured" desire and every momentary whim -- cheeseburgers at 4 AM all drunk and stoned. that is just vulger. not to mention destructive.

    real culinary pleasure comes from eating consciously, and like all great pleasures that life has to offer, requires a bit of patience, a process of discovery, and discipline.

    stuffing yourself with disgusting crap when ever you feel like it is NOT eating for pleasure -- it is addiction.
    these are curious assumptions, zhao! it's funny how the word pleasure sends you reeling with grotesque images of mindless food-stuffing. i don't think anyone functions like that in real life but there you go, it's your vision.

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    maybe my description is exaggerated, but I would say most people do function like this. raised with wrong eating habits, constantly bombarded by advertising from an early age, we are conditioned to eat in an unhealthy way, mistaking it for pleasure. most people everywhere are addicted to very, very unhealthy diets -- obscene over-consumption of cooked animal protein for one thing -- and it causes them no small amount of suffering.

    in medical communities bowl problems including intestinal and colon cancer and a myriad of digestive disorders are being called the "silent epidemic", because people are getting sick in alarmingly large numbers due to nothing but increasingly unhealthy diets -- and no one wants to talk about it because it is ugly.

    another sign of pervasive unhealthy diet -- just look at the rate of childhood obesity - also rising at an alarming rate.

    I feel the same about this subject as many others -- that the "normal" way that society encourages, the way that everyone does it day in and day out, is very wrong. and that it takes an awakening, almost always as result of a close encounter with disaster, to realize this.

    eating healthy is not about depriving oneself. it is about eating consciously - not emotionally, not addictive, mindlessly.

    and similarly, eating for pleasure is not folowing whims or eating what you are conditioned to like.

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    I'm sure this will piss a great number of people off -- you "underground music" types can be just as closed-minded as the red-necks: "IT'S MY GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO HAVE MY MOTHER-FUCKIN STEAKS EVERY NIGHT DAMMIT! AND AIN'T NO NEW AGE HIPPIE FREAK GONNA TELL ME OTHERWISE!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhao View Post
    maybe my description is exaggerated, but I would say most people do function like this. raised with wrong eating habits, constantly bombarded by advertising from an early age, we are conditioned to eat in an unhealthy way, mistaking it for pleasure. most people everywhere are addicted to very, very unhealthy diets -- obscene over-consumption of cooked animal protein for one thing -- and it causes them no small amount of suffering.

    in medical communities bowl problems including intestinal and colon cancer and a myriad of digestive disorders are being called the "silent epidemic", because people are getting sick in alarmingly large numbers due to nothing but increasingly unhealthy diets -- and no one wants to talk about it because it is ugly.

    another sign of pervasive unhealthy diet -- just look at the rate of childhood obesity - also rising at an alarming rate.

    I feel the same about this subject as many others -- that the "normal" way that society encourages, the way that everyone does it day in and day out, is very wrong. and that it takes an awakening, almost always as result of a close encounter with disaster, to realize this.

    eating healthy is not about depriving oneself. it is about eating consciously - not emotionally, not addictive, mindlessly.

    and similarly, eating for pleasure is not folowing whims or eating what you are conditioned to like.

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    I'm sure this will piss a great number of people off -- you "underground music" types can be just as closed-minded as the red-necks: "IT'S MY GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO HAVE MY MOTHER-FUCKIN STEAKS EVERY NIGHT DAMMIT! AND AIN'T NO NEW AGE HIPPIE FREAK GONNA TELL ME OTHERWISE!"

    umm it won't piss me off, but you're wrong, about protein anyway. There is nothing wrong with animal proteins in and of themselves. People should eat lots of fish. You simply can't have too much protein because whatever you don't use comes out the other end.

    Protein is the one thing that almost everyone lacks in their diet these days. Eating animal protein in general should not be discouraged. You have to recognize that there are good sources (fish) and bad sources (bacon). There are other things that are much worse for your health, and are actualy over consumed by everyone: wheat, potatoes, oils and sugar. Men have eaten animals for many millenia. We have only been domesticating grains for the last few, and we have dramatically altered our eating habits from the "caveman diet" (one of the healthiest on earth, which athletes still try to emulate) to a farmers diet that is absurdly heavy in dairy, carbohydrates and sugars.

    The problem is not protein, its a sedentary lifestyle combined with high-energy/low-protein foods -> high body fat/low muscle mass - > poor metabolism -> even higher body fat -> even worse metabolism... I think you are distorting the issues to prop up vegetarianism as a catch-all solution. This is misleading.. its much harder to maintain a healthy vegetarian diet than to maintain a healthy meat eating diet.

    I had digestive problems for the last 3 years, and just found out that it is celiac disease. Of all the doctors I talked to none of them thought meat was an issue at all - and it wasn't. According to actual doctors, the increasing number bowel problems like IBS (the silent epidemic you speak of) etc. are linked to wheat more than anything else, specifically to foods made with highly processed white flour. If you go in with bowel problems, that is the first thing a doctor will recommend - no white bread, pizza crust etc. also, risks of bowel cancer are increased by any prolonged irritation of the bowels - not by meat or wheat itself. If anyone here is having stomach issues, try cutting wheat entirely out of your diet for a week or two. Chances are, that is the problem, not meat...

    anways, here's Cam'ron's song putting it down for IBS awareness:

    Lemme tell y'all a lil story about myself
    This right here is a true story, check it out though

    [Verse 1]
    Ulcers hurt my salary, alter my personality
    Give it to you real, I can't feed my culture no fallacy
    You know my attitude, arrogant, cocky rude
    Eatin off papi food, used to be a stocky dude
    Weighed two-twenty, wit two honies, I move monie
    It's true dummy, dunny need a new tummy
    I become berserk, it was no fun to work
    Everyday my stomach hurt, rippin off my undershirt
    The pain was no comparison, stomach started cherishin
    Throwin up in public, yo fuck it, it was embarrassin
    Regurgitatin, green, yellow, burgundy, Boom
    But came my urgency soon, (what) the emergency room (oh)
    In there, no salvage, treated like a cold savage
    They said pimpin symptoms, huh, a dope addicts
    There you have it, but they ain't find no heroin
    Coke, crack, dope, just weed, but that's my medicine

    [Chorus]
    My baby mama, mama, and my grandma
    Say that I'm too gordy (too gordy), word to my blue maurys
    This is a true story
    I got stomach pain, don't matter sun or rain
    Thought that it went away, uh oh, here it come again

    [Verse 2]
    Never mind stuntin, dime puffin, doc spent his time frontin
    He like a bad detective, he ain't find nuttin
    Besides that though, I can't enjoy a movie, dinner (why is that?)
    My son growin up, I'm lookin like the movie thinner
    I'm thinkin suicide, do or die, sit and cry (oh)
    What hurt my baby moms askin if I'm gettin high (what the fuck you talkin about?)
    She gonna play me a thug, I told the lady I love
    If it ain't hustlin ma, please don't relate me to drugs (at all)
    I'm loosin weight though, everyday pounds and muscles
    Gotta get off my ass, hit some towns and hustle
    Bein sick, huh, it get sickenin you know
    I was too sick to do shows, but still equipped to move O's
    You know my attitude, get it how I get it
    If I can shoot, I turn around (then) I'm off my pivot
    And oops, I thought I had it mapped
    Weight started to gain again, it was just a game my friend
    Dame mane I pained again

    [Chorus]

    [Verse 3]
    Ay yo, god body, I'm hard bodied, word mommy, vanishin
    Hadda go low, the male clinic, Minnesota
    I couldn't get cake, a rock in a hard place
    For me, that's a odd place, I'm only here by God's grace
    Like a lab rat, them tests dishonor Cam
    Ultrasound, MIR, CAT scan, sonogram
    Laparoscopy, inoscopy, I be stressed (I be stressed)
    The prognosis, diagnosed, IBS
    And that's irritable bowel child, I hadda spit it y'all
    Kick to y'all, so it ain't my fault if I shit on y'all
    Get it, get it, get it, get it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zhao View Post
    I'm all for it. but you see, pleasure does not mean following your immediate, "fake" and "manufactured" desire and every momentary whim -- cheeseburgers at 4 AM all drunk and stoned. that is just vulger. not to mention destructive.

    real culinary pleasure comes from eating consciously, and like all great pleasures that life has to offer, requires a bit of patience, a process of discovery, and discipline.

    stuffing yourself with disgusting crap when ever you feel like it is NOT eating for pleasure -- it is addiction.
    Foucault was an excellent chef. By all accounts he was a master of French cuisine and threw dinner parties that were legendary.

    What was his favorite dish?

    A club sandwich, fries and a Coca-Cola. probably enjoyed while drunk and stoned.

    Quite frankly, alleging false consciousness in peoples enjoyment of food is ridiculous nonsense. It sounds like you have read way too much Adbusters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Precious Cuts View Post
    Foucault was an excellent chef.
    so your logic is as follows: because Foucault was an amazing writer, historian, and philosopher, so he must be absolutely spot-on when it comes to health and nutrition, and we should model our diet after his eating habits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Precious Cuts View Post
    The problem is not protein, its a sedentary lifestyle combined with high-energy/low-protein foods -> high body fat/low muscle mass - > poor metabolism -> even higher body fat -> even worse metabolism... I think you are distorting the issues to prop up vegetarianism as a catch-all solution. This is misleading.. its much harder to maintain a healthy vegetarian diet than to maintain a healthy meat eating diet.
    thanks for the reply. lots of good points.

    I actually said "cooked animal proteine", and not just "animal protein". cooked meat drastically increases carcenogen levels, and toxifies the body more than anything else -- and these toxins does not leave the body for a long time, and causes many problems.

    I suppose the jokes about eating raw meat will follow --but what you may not know is that much like raw fish is professionally prepared, raw meat can as well. and it is the best source of protein. it is not common but many traditional cultures have raw beef and other meat dishes -- Armenian, Vietnamese, etc, etc.

    but you are right that vegetarianism is not the catch all solution, (but in my estimation is predominantly, overwhelmingly beneficial).

    and you are right about over consumption of carbohydrates -- and that pre-agricultural diet is much more healthy -- all major diseases such as cancer did not exist before we started farming -- but there are different view points as to what "caveman" diet consisted of exactly -- what I know and have read, may be contrary to some historians and doctors in mainstream medicine, leads me to believe that it was thousands of kinds of raw plants, and little meat -- and very little cooked meat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhao View Post
    so your logic is as follows: because Foucault was an amazing writer, historian, and philosopher, so he must be absolutely spot-on when it comes to health and nutrition, and we should model our diet after his eating habits?
    My logic was simply that Foucault a) knows how to enjoy fine food, b) obviously isn't brainwashed and c) still loves diner food. Therefore, you can enjoy diner food without being a victim of false consciousness. Whether or not it is healthy to do so is besides the point.


    Quote Originally Posted by zhao View Post
    thanks for the reply. lots of good points.

    I actually said "cooked animal proteine", and not just "animal protein". cooked meat drastically increases carcenogen levels, and toxifies the body more than anything else -- and these toxins does not leave the body for a long time, and causes many problems.

    I suppose the jokes about eating raw meat will follow --but what you may not know is that much like raw fish is professionally prepared, raw meat can as well. and it is the best source of protein. it is not common but many traditional cultures have raw beef and other meat dishes -- Armenian, Vietnamese, etc, etc.

    but you are right that vegetarianism is not the catch all solution, (but in my estimation is predominantly, overwhelmingly beneficial).

    and you are right about over consumption of carbohydrates -- and that pre-agricultural diet is much more healthy -- all major diseases such as cancer did not exist before we started farming -- but there are different view points as to what "caveman" diet consisted of exactly -- what I know and have read, may be contrary to some historians and doctors in mainstream medicine, leads me to believe that it was thousands of kinds of raw plants, and little meat -- and very little cooked meat.
    my bad I didn't notice the cooked qualification. I've had some really good lebanese raw kibbeh (ground lamb & beef w/ pine nuts & olive oil) before. It feels pretty good after eating. Kind of like sushi. I don't think I could eat raw meat all the time though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ned View Post
    I'm eating 7-8 rashers a day, every day, at the moment.
    Yes, you can get cancer. Stop doing it.

    To think Conflict were right about this all along....

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    Ned's last post on this site was in mid August.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noel emits View Post
    Ned's last post on this site was in mid August.
    Did you actually click on his profile and look that up, or were you there when he had to flee the country over the whole Maddie thing?

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