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    Quote Originally Posted by 2stepfan
    But um Coil's techno didn't often do it for me -- I never could see why the Snow was supposed to be so good.
    It's just kinda chill out trance, really. Not bad for that, but I'd rather go for the real thing, like System 7 or EBI or Optic Eye.

    Recently got Time Machines and Worship the Glitch. Nothing particular either, decent drones and ambient and such. I really like Astral Disaster, though.

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    the freeman brothers are indeed notorious techno-haters. throughout the book and their audion zine (aside from the excessive use of exclamation points) the most annoying thing is how they are always ranting about "trendy techno"

    i still find the book to be very useful- especially for the pre-1975 material

    one late TD album i always liked was "Live in Poland"- side 1 especially

    i have a soft spot for Jarre just because i saw him do one of his over-the-top multimedia shows here in houston in 1986- celebrating 150 years of texas (of all things) - it was pompous and cheesy but still impressive

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlos
    the freeman brothers are indeed notorious techno-haters. throughout the book and their audion zine (aside from the excessive use of exclamation points) the most annoying thing is how they are always ranting about "trendy techno"
    Ironic, considering how they have helped krautrock getting much more trendy that techno ever was. Was techno ever "trendy" at all? As far as I remember it have allways been looked down upon.

    But yes, very useful book.

    Quote Originally Posted by carlos
    i have a soft spot for Jarre just because i saw him do one of his over-the-top multimedia shows here in houston in 1986- celebrating 150 years of texas (of all things) - it was pompous and cheesy but still impressive
    Ah, I remember forcing my parents to let me stay up late and watch the tv transmission of that. It blew my little mind, I had never seen or heard anything that futuristic. It put me on the path that eventually led me to rave and techno and electronica - I just knew I wanted something totally synthetic with lights and buzzers and sci fi imagery.

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    Hey Matt , hope you didn't pay so much for Dinger's Angels' ,
    i'd seen some writeup that made it sound promising , thankfully i didn't bite / seek it out .

    Some comments /observations so far

    Peter Baumann : He was in the right place , right time with T Dream.
    By the time i was able to meet up with him in 1984 , he was at a crossroads , living in NYC and he had up in his studio on E 23rd St. one of those custom mixing board that also had ossillators like a synth that Kraftwerk did so well with.
    The board got my attention right off , more then the "Russians Are Coming" vinyl he pressed on me in an early meeting .
    Anyway, we did get to work on the board and that went well
    (basic tracks for '84's "The Dominatrix Sleeps Tonight" )
    but the publishing deal Peter and his friend tried to get me to do didn't work out,
    we went our own ways with Peter getting married ,moved to Conn. (?) and
    starting Private Music , one of the early New Age label here in US.

    Agitation Free : I keep reading good things about their records , now have rd more on this thread -
    will have to finally check them .
    I only came across M Hoenig (sorry if my spelling is shot , just drinking that first coffee now) around the same time in W Berlin ('83) when he got involved in sessions i was having with Malaria ' synth player Sushanna Kuhnke . Hoenig's horning in brought that project to a halt , unfortunately .
    But he's done well in LA scoring those movies .

    "Teutonik Disaster" Comp.'s on Gomma : Not sure these groups connect to 'Krautrock' per see ,
    not cking sleeve notes this moment , but i don't think Conny P had a hand in any of them though.
    There is some good stuff on there ...
    Had never heard of Exkurs (they are on both vol.'s) but was glad to find them there ,
    they reminded me of some characteristics of DAF .
    Hats off to the Gomma boys for the hard work putting those together .

    Tangerine Dream : Not familiar with all of their music ,
    M Diekmann made me a Comp. of music from Phaedra ('74), Rubycon ('75) , Stratosfear ('76) that gets play from time to time , and almost every time it passes quickly and i enjoy it playing in the space ,
    but the pieces do blur on me.
    Whatever the taste, they remain and deserve to be influential for doing electronic music that early on .
    It surely wasn't easy

    DAF: No doubting the great records DAF did ,
    and with Conny Plank producing the results is/was just awesome .
    From "Kababtraume" to "Fur Immer" they made their own canon ,
    retro & revivalists don't even try and struggle put to top the stripped down synth & drums attack of DAF in their prime. You can play alot of those tracks and they still sound great.

    Chrislo and Beate's Liaisons Dangeruses slot right alongside DAF , but they shot off and quickly established their own sound. On cuts like "Kess Kill Fe Show" Conny P's harmonizer turns vocals into animal howl burbling against Chrislo's Oberheim dark end of the street German gothy synth constructions .

    Out of the canon , i mention an odd record I did buy on impulse , based only on the writeup
    (maybe same place Matt rd about der Angels) and that was The Nazgul Album ,
    originally on Moat/Pyramid and rere'd on Psi Fi .
    Recorded at Dieter Dierks by a crew of anonymous players , totally "Lord Of The Rings" influenced ,
    sparse , open soundtrack -y Tibetan horns , ethnic perc. music .
    Interesting in the ' they made this when ?' kind of way, but nonessential in terms of actually buying it (!)

    What was Bowie singing in Station to Station , 'The European Cannon is here ...' ?
    He certainly took the canon to heart/mind/his records , back in that day .

    Another German group , in between trends and without canon was Belfegore ...
    anyone catch them ? some pretty good songs on that Album, as i recall Conny P produced.

    And as noted previously , the early Der Plan, Pyrolator releases were essential in their time .
    We loved those records , so fresh for then !

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    Quote Originally Posted by polystyle des
    Another German group , in between trends and without canon was Belfegore ...
    anyone catch them ? some pretty good songs on that Album, as i recall Conny P produced.
    i had one of their albums (cassette actually)- they got some mtv airplay back then. they always reminded me of killing joke- which conny p also produced

    as a side note- i think the synths on killing joke albums were what got me searching for more electronic music!

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    Interesting how far the Krautrock genre can be stretched; never thought of DAF as Krautrock as such (not even the first album) still...it's hardly surprising that most of it is a little crap because most of any genre is a little crap. The interesting, innovative music in any genre (punk, techno, country, minimalism etc etc) is almost always surpassed many times over by mindless copying and dulled vision. Even the good Krautrock bands - Can, Faust etc - aren't consistently good, or even interesting (and these have a better hit rate than most of the others). In fact, if there is a consistently good genre out there I'd love to know...

    And as for the bitching about the Coil techno stuff...I'll admit the Snow is a bit uninspired but the rest of the techno period stuff still stands up and it still gets to the core of the psychedelic sensibility (i.e. drugs are fun and fun of goblins) better than anything else....

    You should, on the other hand, have a go at the dear departed Balance for inspiring all those comedy jesters hats at Glastonbury...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki
    Interesting how far the Krautrock genre can be stretched; never thought of DAF as Krautrock as such (not even the first album)
    I hear you on that Loki
    I wouldn't include DAF in 'Kraut Rock' either , but that was the flow of the thread .
    They would be in another grouping , perhaps 'New Deutsch Wave'
    The name 'Kraut Rock' itself is off - putting , kept me off the music for years ...
    Cheers all

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    Quote Originally Posted by francesco
    Or Cathedral in Flames... I underrated Scatology, the second side is magnificent...
    Hey, I typed that and then chose Godhead! {twilightzonetheme} Scatology's probably my second favourite after How to destroy angels...


    Or "Closer to God" NIN remix (from the Main titles of "Seven")
    Tune. But no Danny Hyde I think... hence not as impeccably funky as the original mix, which I love...


    To close one circle there is definitely a great influence of Krautrock in many of the last Coil records
    Oh yeah. That really came out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamarplazt
    It's just kinda chill out trance, really. Not bad for that, but I'd rather go for the real thing, like System 7 or EBI or Optic Eye.
    Yeah, lets hear it for Hillage! In fact I think it's time for a "prog techno it's OK to like" thread, starting with Orbital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2stepfan
    Yeah, lets hear it for Hillage! In fact I think it's time for a "prog techno it's OK to like" thread, starting with Orbital.
    The greatness of Orbital, or at least most of what they did, is hardly controversial - they just shouldn't have made all those collaborations with vocalists.

    Much more problematic is... Future Sound of London!!! The great prog-tech bogey of Energy Flash: "It's a Daliesque frightmare of liquifacent forms, a pseudo-organic sample-scape congested with scrofulous sound-tendrils and slithery slime-shapes". If that isn't a recommendation I don't know what is.

    Bur seriously, Lifeforms, ISDN and Dead Cities were all extremely messy and uneven. You'll have to go through a lot of pointless nature sound collages to get to the good stuff. However, when they do get it right, they can be highly fascinating. Lifeforms is a lot like Tales from Topographic Oceans in that way, somehow worth the effort simply by including some stuff sounding like absolutely nothing else.

    Accelerator is something completely different. Warm glowing acidic techno, and one of those rare techno albums that really work as an album. Maybe even better than LFOs Frequencies.

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    So, any Krautrock book recommendations, especially things that go beyond biography/hagiography?

    Thinking of this for a start but something broader would be good...
    http://www.amazon.ca/Kraftwerk-Music...3988215&sr=1-5

    I re-watched the BBC's the other night and I want more on the social side (post-war reinvention, fighting Nazi amnesia, building collectives) and maybe the overlaps with other arts (e.g. with Herzong, Fassbinder, etc.).

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    Quote Originally Posted by nomos View Post
    So, any Krautrock book recommendations
    not a book, but this is a great, in-depth article on rolf-ulrich kaiser. it is biographical about him + gille lettmann aka sternenmadchen, and a lot of (still interesting) things about label politics, but it also goes into serious detail about the context of the entire late 60s/early 70s, especially the parts RUK was involved.

    I'd guess a lot the of writing you're looking for may be in never translated German books? dunno that for a fact but I get the feeling. also probably in books about those actual topics (RAF/June 2nd, New German Cinema, etc) that mention music tangentially vs. the other way around. besides the original Amon Duul coming out of the Berlin commune scene I think a couple of the more agit-prop type bands (Ton Steine Scherben, Floh de Cologne etc) had connections in that direction

    clip (mentioned in the linked article) of RUK and Ton Steine Scherben's manager arguing about capitalism in the music industry in 1971

    (I love how calm everyone is once he's done with the axe, just sitting back down nonchalantly. also how sturdy the table is. those germans, they make a sturdy table)

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    actually I've been on a massive krautrock kick lately, and I knew there'd be a killer thread on the topic from the glory days of dissensus. a couple bands not mentioned back then that I've been into: Brainticket, which starts off as weird (even by krautrock standards) spacy acid rock and then goes off into significantly weirder and mostly awesome free jazz, musique concrete, acid guitar hybrid areas. later Xhol Caravan, Essen 1970 live album especially. A.R. + Machines - Echo, which is basically a blueprint for all Manuel Gottsching's later guitar looping business (feel like dude must have really been listening to Achim Reichel in the early 70s), there's also another Achim Reichel track, off Erholung I think, which sounds, I swear to god, like ambient krauty Fela Kuti. oh yeah and Sand, which is like 10 years earlier, LSD Young Marble Giants from a German forest instead of the Welsh coast

    also, this record, which is totally fucking mental and combines a few different kraut strands, namely private release lo-fi psychedelic folk weirdness with totally screaming acid guitar Ash Ra Tempel freakouts

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    Quote Originally Posted by nomos View Post

    I re-watched the BBC's the other night and I want more on the social side (post-war reinvention, fighting Nazi amnesia, building collectives) and maybe the overlaps with other arts (e.g. with Herzong, Fassbinder, etc.).
    I watched 'The Baader-Menihof Complex' on BBC Iplayer last weekend, it might still be on there. I remember the first generation members were mentioned by the singer from Amon Duul and decided to investigate.

    I've been utterly fascinated and inspired by their resistance, and shocked at the power used by the state to squash them. The film was factually accurate, though is always going to provide a slightly abridged and biased version by it's nature, and some events lay in unknown territory and one can only interpret the accounts of opposing sources. The autobiography of Margrit Schiller was a gripping and beautiful read.
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    also, German Oak.

    also, this. that crazy instrument at the beginning is I guess called a santoor, the guy playing is an Iranian musician who did this one super obscure, awesome record with a guy named Ingo Werner who was in obscure, not so great krautrock band My Solid Ground. the B side as is not as good as this mindboggling track but still pretty good.


    also, Wolfgang Riechmann's one really great LP he made shortly before being stabbed to death in a random bar fight, really sad but what a last testament at least!


    also, one last thing, not krautrock but I listened to Aphrodite's Child (Vangelis' original band) - 666 the other day and that is a crazy record, a 1 1/2 hr double LP concept album about the Book of Revelations. a lot of it sucks/is gratuitous but there are also some really great acid rock passages combined with Greek folk melodies and/or instruments and some cool Berlin School type early electronic passages. also, it has one song that is just 5 minutes of a woman shrieking extremely orgasmically over a clattering mess of drums, no other instruments. absolutely terrible, but something everyone must hear once b/c words really can't do it justice.

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