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    A few years ago i lost the ability to drink beer. i just couldn't do it. it wouldn't go down. i was never a big fan anyway. it's gassy, there's too much of it, you have to piss every five minutes, it's very unsexy, doesn't even look attractive, plus, and this is one of the big mysteries in my life, it absolutely smashes me. i can drink a whole bottle of brandy and be more with it than if i'd drunk 4 pints. 6 pints and i'm out of the game, it's all over. i'm also much more likely to be obnoxious. it makes my head cloudy and bleary. the other thing is, it akes my face fat. i get a little mini double chin and my cheek bones get obscured. i just drink spirits now days. i wonder if any one else suffered this misfortune. this is a general beer thread for people who want to discuss beer. scottie, he loves his beer, he always talks about it.


    sometimes i might drink those polish ones that recently started appearing in eastend offies a while back, zyweick and that, but thats me trying to be different, ditto nigerian guiness, oh, they're strong too innit, so it's a cheaper way to get smashed.


    talk beer here.

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    i couldn't do beer at all until i went to work in (what was then czechoslovakia), i ended up in a mining town on the polish border and the only pastime was drinking - seriously nothing else to do - czech beer did for my snake hips and since then i have become a dedicated beer drinker - interestingly(for me) this occured roughly at the same time as i stopped smoking dope.
    one question though, why is this on the politics strand - doesn't bother me, just interested

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    as they say, i heart you so much Luka

    just going out the door but wanted to be one of the first to respond since you so graciously namechecked me.

    i find, these days (well i am an underweight 25), that, unless i'm drinking beer for several hours then about half a dozen jars is a comfortable limit for me too (for a start, the limit is about five or six to stay really appreciative of what i'm drinking, i find).

    obviously if you're on an all-dayer or just start late arvo then you can pack loads of beer down before starting on the spirits. but it's important to eat.

    Nigerian Guinness is quality, it is strong yeah, about 7.5 or so innit.

    i've got to get me some of that but it's hard to come by in pubs a lot of the time (certainly American ones).

    let's say, three beers i like a lot, FWIW
    Abott
    Krombacher
    Robinson's Unicorn (Robinson's have about, like, literally 300 hostelries in the Stockport area and then quite a few more in the Manchester area but you don't really see 'em outside a small slice of northwest England; they make good, cheap bitters - this is their Best, 4.2 i believe, just a gorgeous simple quaffable drink - and such and sponsor the football team Stockport County; they do a great mild, Hatters, and a fearsome seasonal beer, Old Tom, eight and a half per cent ABV)

    do people like all sorts of beers? or do you stick to lager? cask conditioned stuff?

    do you like a nice pils?
    do you drink much Belgian beer?
    do you drink much African or south American or Asian beer?
    American micro-fare?

    i only found out the other day why a lot of American beer doesn't have the ABV on the label, incidentally (to do with federal regulations that were only repealed about a dozen years ago).

    etc.
    quality

    Jenks
    >one question though, why is this on the politics strand - doesn't bother me, just interested
    perhaps Luka is thinking of the Workers Beer Company (or whatever they are called) and their Red Wedge politics, you always get them at Glasto

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    wow! scott, you are a beer genius! i've never heard of any of those beers!

    interested to see you drink bitter. that's almost unheard of in my part of the world, at least for people our age. is it common up north? i find it totally unpalettable. an aquired taste presumably, but not one i'm willing to suffer to aquire. any other bitter drinkers? if so state your age and the place you live and the place you were brought up. lager is the default option, but so often too bland for words. maybe in summer, if it's extra cold. so long as there's crisps to go with it.

    it's on the politics bit for two reasons
    1)there's not a food and drink section. (i think i'll start my cheese thread on the nature section)
    2)i don't like the politics threads. they get on my nerves for all sorts of reasons, shoulder chips among them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka
    interested to see you drink bitter. ... is it common up north? i find it totally unpalettable.
    i love a Bishop's Finger. v common in sussex.

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    what's that jamaican stout called? 'dragon' or something? it's about 12%. it's like guiness but it really fucks you up. it's quite fun.

    i'm from the north west originally, right next door to scott, and bitter/real ale drinking is pretty common among the youth. i'm totally a bitter fan. it's the best consumable substance this country has ever produced- one of the few things that britain does better than almost anywhere else.
    some of my favourites:
    adnam's broadside [the top boy of beers]
    green king indian pale ale
    black sheep [unusual cuz it's quite sharp and acidic]
    old peculiar [cuz it is]
    young's double chocolate stout [this should be disgusting but it's delicious.
    old porter [can't remember who does this one- i think it's a london brewery tho.]
    old speckled hen.

    we'll have to get together for another pub session, scott.
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    14 cans of red stripe and i'm anyone's...

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    Quote Originally Posted by simon silverdollar
    what's that jamaican stout called? 'dragon' or something? it's about 12%. it's like guiness but it really fucks you up. it's quite fun.
    as the old rasta geezer at the hi-lo in oxford used to say: 'dragon stout go down like silk, hit you like steel'. truer words...

    guinness export is similar, minus about 4 teaspoons of sugar.

    crucial brew is the lager equivalent.

    bitter has to be properly looked after and cask conditioned to be nice. round here (leeds) tetley's, black sheep and old peculiar are favs.

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    well, me i'm really not a drinker, you know i'm zoot&bifterite, & if i drink i'm better on spirits or stout, at least for the first couple, & by then i'm away on the rampage & it's too late to care....
    anyway, here's me 2p:

    a lot of african & asian lager imho seems to have a lot of ethanol or something, altho is nae bad, especially the xport, tastes like bananas or coconut to me? mmmm


    recently been seeing melotti around the place, from the eritrean brewery who also do lovely rhum, arak & gin

    that said, ethiopian traditional beer is good too, they have tej - made of honey (like mead) which you can get in london, and tella which is like stout

    lush

    (dunno if it was D&G, but there used to be this great jamaican alcoholic ginger beer called REDRAW, which was wickedly spicy, and dyed yer gob red, ain't seen itt about for ages, i think it got phased out by alcopops - shame)


    yewkay beerz:

    fuking rotten man - nasty nasty toxic beer, responsible for the decline in drinking culture, death of saturday nights, rant rant,
    no wonder they call it the wife-beater yuk
    gimme a nice (brewed in bedford), ta very much.

    nice pint o bass that 's another matter - anyone who say they don't like bitter should try it (....served by the jug, upstairs in the star...) mmmm creamy, look for the red triangle

    ... reckon rewch'll be along in a bit to recount a few tales of old tom....

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    Ahh, beer. Personal expereince seems rather contrary to some people's here, in that I could drink beer all day and not really get too smashed. Though peeing is an issue. Not to mention the beer shits the next day...

    As for the canadian beer scene, agreed that labat blue and moslon canadian are pretty dreadful, especially blue. One of the most terrifying beer experiences was going to montreal this summer and finding that the popular beers were blue dry (a stronger version of blue) and molson ex. my god they were terrible.

    Round Vancouver way, we do drink some Big Rock, though I think it's also a lot of Okanagan Springs (Pale Ale and Lager) and lots of Granville Island Brewery (Lager, and oooh the hefewiesen they make! so good!) as well as Sleeman's Honey Lager. Though of course Canadian is omnipresent...also, I like Stella! But maybe that's cuz my dad's german, so I was raised on stuff like Warsteiner, which I aslo quite like.

    Lastly, I knew an engineer who used to work designing malt-houses (i think that's what they're called), the pre-brewery part of the beer operation. Anyway, he swore that beers like bud and miller genuine draft and such were made with rice instead of barley. Anyone care to confirm/deny?

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    egg:
    >in fact why not wander by train or with chauffeur along the sussex coast taking in all three, as you will find some excellent real ale along the >way. a driver would be best as you could stop at all the places in between off the a27 like the giants rest and sussex ox.

    excellent, excellent. i'll have my man Cookie make up a list and we'll be off
    Hastings sounds like a laff, certainly if it's anything like Dover ["six pints of bitter please, because we're northern"].
    the heart & hand sounds decent btw minusone
    incidentally i have a pal from Bournemouth who is forever complaining about the disgraceful state of near-three-notes pints round his way. mind you, Badger ales are the scoopage of choice in that neck of the woods so it can't be all bad (except when it's blowing up a Force 8 gale at Poole harbour and you're trying to change pubs, sez my correspondent).

    loved sufi's visuals post.
    it's hard to get African beer in the Mcr pretty much fullstop apart from in restaurants like Out of Africa and the like; there are also only literally three African eating/drinking establishments AFAIK (AFAIK does not count for much in this case, admittedly) in the entire city (there are a lot of Afro-Caribbean eateries and caffs and whatnot). perhaps i should investigate me some tej or tella whilst in Chicago, as there are enough Ethiopian scranneries round here.

    i do like Singha me, oh yes.
    all the really big Asian beer names (in UK high-street terms i mean) i wuv, Tiger, Cobra, especially Tsingtao which i really am loving.

    i must say i cannot really get with the Bass programme.
    i don't rate it that much, i must be honest, and i've certainly been on the piss in Burton, so i must be missing something. most tastes have to be acquired and i certainly respect Burton's ale histories, so i dunno. it's another one i have chalked down in a mental notebook.
    the thing that strikes me as strange(ish) about Bass is it is very popular in the USA, marketed well over here, slick website, etc. (they seem to go for the merrie olde Englande thing).
    i've tried it enough times in the USA out of interest and i can honestly say, my prejudices apart (i think!), it doesn't seem to travel very well (well that's stating the obvious, as what Brit-ale does).
    so i'm a bit mystified, in all honesty.
    just on the America loves it side of things, i mean.
    still, i know Anglophilia can be quite a big thing right.

    bipedaldave:
    >Ahh, beer. Personal expereince seems rather contrary to some people's here, in that I could drink beer all day and not really get too >smashed. Though peeing is an issue. Not to mention the beer shits the next day...

    beer trots can be appalling with some bitters, that's for sure
    if you drink beer all day you'll not get smashed no, that's right, cause the all-dayer thing comes into effect, and you just boss it.

    Montreal is a surprise.

    i want to ask if there is a difference in, say, north American and British drinking culture, in terms of speed and whatnot. i was at a Indiana brewpub once and tried three pints of three of their different ales (an IPA at about 6% was the best) over about an hour (i ate lunch too). when i went to order the third drink the waitress made a crack about my double-bagging (or double-handing or something) the beer.
    i was all 'nah, just wanting to try your fine wares, and this is normal speed back home'.
    i mean, weird huh?!
    perhaps that says more about the Midwest than anything else...

    bipedaldave:
    >Lastly, I knew an engineer who used to work designing malt-houses (i think that's what they're called), the pre-brewery part of the beer >operation. Anyway, he swore that beers like bud and miller genuine draft and such were made with rice instead of barley. Anyone care to >confirm/deny?

    Bud certainly has rice added to it, for crunch (i remember reading some piece once where the St Louis baseball team the Cards had their guys squeezing cups of rice for pitching practice to strengthen fists and whatnot but it was a commercial tie-in with Anheuser-Busch) or whatnot and to help the flavour zip along (or so i believe), so perhaps Miller-styles are the same?
    i don't know, but wouldn't be surprised.
    Budweiser and Miller beers all have that very crisp taste. in fact i just checked the Bud site now (cause i'm sad) and it makes a virtue of their addition of rice to the process ('not all breweries do this' etc.)
    so in the case of Bud it's just an addition (there is still barley involved). i dunno about Miller. merely generalising in a very sloppy manner, i wouldn't be surprised, cause like i say i guess MGD and Bud etc. all taste fairly similar, i.e., i mean in that extremely crisp and clean manner.

    btw, merely on name alone, Okanagan Springs sounds divine. is that a town in Vancouver Island or something?

    one of the Freaky Trigger people called Warsteiner Warstarter the other day, which i'd never heard before. i like it

    Stella actually seems esteemed highly in the USA (i'm assuming perhaps similar in Canada?), well in my very limited experience. well a lot more highly than in the UK (Americans who don't know of the wifebeater nickname - given what a 'wifebeater' is in the US - are amused when informed, in my experience) is what i mean.
    i mean, it's a competent lager innit with a bit of the ol' self-fulfilling-prophecy in the 'causes balloonery stakes'. out of the big names Krony b is deffo preferable, although i must admit i'd probably strike out for Artois over Carling, Carlsberg, Harp, Fosters, etc.
    but that ain't saying much is it?
    actually Carling over Stella, not sure about Carlsberg.
    as for Harp, it's nice enough but stick to the stouts, Arthur.

    perhaps - as i say, this could be my very partial reading - wifebeater's relative critical popularity this side of the pond is down to a general lack of decent continental European lagers outside of specialist brewpubs or German/Belgian-styled bars?

    sorry to bang on, but it really does interest me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottdisco
    egg:
    >in fact why not wander by train or with chauffeur along the sussex coast taking in all three, as you will find some excellent real ale along the >way. a driver would be best as you could stop at all the places in between off the a27 like the giants rest and sussex ox.

    excellent, excellent. i'll have my man Cookie make up a list and we'll be off
    Hastings sounds like a laff, certainly if it's anything like Dover ["six pints of bitter please, because we're northern"].
    in fact a lot of northerners are forced to move here when coming south due to the fact that your northern 'pound' doesn't seem to go as far round ere
    i must say i cannot really get with the Bass programme.
    ah but shandy bass, surely....
    perhaps - as i say, this could be my very partial reading - wifebeater's relative critical popularity this side of the pond is down to a general lack of decent continental European lagers outside of specialist brewpubs or German/Belgian-styled bars?
    which reminds me - although i have little time for lager - that drinking heineken on amsterdam campsites is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sufi
    a lot of african & asian lager imho seems to have a lot of ethanol or something,

    In the case of Singha (which is utter shite imho) and definitely the viet brands like Halida and 333 it's cos they put rice in it to save money. The fermented rice taste is what makes it so mingin. As anyone whose ever been unfortunate enough to drink rice vodka will know.

    Good Asian beer = San Miguel and above all else, Tsingtao.

    And yeah, 9th feb. Only wrote that cos my chinese is pretty much limited to that phrase and to stuff like "Ka Ni Na Bu Chao Chee Bye" which might have given the wrong impression...

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    Backjob:
    >Good Asian beer = San Miguel and above all else, Tsingtao.

    i think i prefer that San Miguel to the Spanish one, i must say.

    i love Tsingtao. it really does remind me of Kwak, i think.

    do you like Hue Backjob?

    i'd be interested to have Yanjing but Tsingtao's the only Chinese beer i've ever had.

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    i kinda feel bad for bringing this up, cuz this jokes been done to death round my parts, but perhaps not on the other side of the pond(s).

    Q: What does American beer and having sex in a canoe have in common?
    A: They're both fucking close to water!

    One of the many "proud to be a canadian" things sprouted by hicks hereabouts is that canadian beer is consistently a lot stronger than american beer. A canadian beer less than 5% is very rare, whereas I think it's a lot more common accross the border. Coors Light: tastes bad and doesn't get you drunk. bad combo.

    Scottdisco: thanks for the links, I did read them (yes, i was bored). Something you really never hear about over here, or perhaps i just don't travel in classy enough beer drinking circles...anyway, started to make me really really thirsty. In fact this whole thread keeps making me really want a beer. My apologies to any recovering alcoholics out there reading this thread.

    and yeah, ask away about canadian beers, i'll see what i can do.

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