my view of the world

blah blah...i lump the saddam is brave and the ufo people together...people need FOCUS!

parson

Don't you think maybe you're into all of this stuff because it's entertaining?
Everyday, serious problems like poverty, oppression and abuse of power aren't really as much fun to think about as all this paranormal malarkey are they?

swears said:

Don't you think maybe you're into all of this stuff because it's entertaining?
Everyday, serious problems like poverty, oppression and abuse of power aren't really as much fun to think about as all this paranormal malarkey are they?

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Amen to that, swears.

One thing I can't help but think is that highly paranoid people are SO convinced that the primary purpose of governments is to lie to people, above all else, that for them any kind of denial of a hypothesis is as good as proof that that hypothesis is correct. "The Government denies aliens exist, so they MUST exist!!! The Government denies the moon is made is made of mature stilton, therefore the moon MUST be made of mature stilton!" You know what? Sometimes it's a good idea to take the word of the entire scientific establishment, who work with accepted methods within a peer-reviewed framework, rather than the ideas of one or two 'maverick' researches who've decided our DNA must have come from aliens.

And on the point of 'right-wing fundamentalists' - I expect a lot of people fitting this description have a blind, dogmatic and totally empirically unsupported faith in the intervention of a supernatural being in the origins of life, to the point of intentionally perverting science to try and support their claims. Now tell me - does this remind you of anyone?
Edit: and I get the impression someone here doesn't understand the concept of 'burden of proof'. So what if some 'high-ranking government official' says terrestrial life originated on other planets? The entire body of the scientific community disagrees with him, and - call me credulous if you like - that's good enough for me.
By your argument, the fact that George Bush believes God talks to him (and you can't really get more high-ranking than George Bush) puts the burden of proof on me to prove that God doesn't exist. The simple fact is, there's no way *anyone* can actually DISprove life originated on another planet, and on the basis of unfalsifiability, it therefore is disqualified from being a scientific hypothesis. In epistemology, people sometimes talk about the 'teapot fallacy': namely, I can claim that there's a teapot in orbit around Mars, then say that "since I made the claim, the burden of proof lies on the person denying my hypothesis", and since obviously no-one can disprove it, I therefore claim vindication for my hypothesis. Which is obviously ridiculous.

How do you know they're trying to uncover information on alien space craft? Maybe it's something to do with dodgy black-ops, classified millitary technology, could be anything...

Because these 400 people are the people that work on dodgy, black-ops, classified millitary technology!

They are the ones making the claim that much of this tech has been reverse engineered from crashed alien spacecraft. This is what makes the Disclosure Project interesting.

But I totally agree, the burden of proof of course lies with them, and it would seem it is still a burden thay cannot shake. There is no physical proof, no flying saucer wreckage to dump on the White House lawn, but these people have a lot of conviction, I see no reason why they would make it all up, but this brings me back to my earlier point about UFOs being more interesting than grime.

The real reason it's interesting is because its escapism. I'm right in the middle of starting a non-profit, ( www.wedia.tv plug plug plug), and indeed find it really depressing to think about serious problems like poverty etc, which I seem to be doing a great deal of. The Disclosure Project and it's problem, real or imaginary, is not depressing. It's a glimmer of hope if you take it seriously. Interest in UFOs, religon and funky house is peaking cos people want escapism, not depressing news of terrorism, world poverty, or indeed, the state of the grime scene.

That being said, UFOs are being seen all around the world and reported all around the world (today in Iran for example: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3354296,00.html ) and much of the dismissive skepticism in the US and UK around the subject is incredibly unscientific.

For example, the Mexican Air Force filmed a fleet of eleven UFOs flying through their airspace with incredibly sophisticated infrared cameras, for more than half an hour, giving off all kinds of weird temperature data, and one even breaks formation and begins following the Mexicans until they back off (you can see this here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6737356340134876703&q=mexican+ufo+footage) The Mexicans hold a press conference saying very honestly "we don't know what these things are" and present the film to the world's media. US intelligence laughs at them at says 'it was just swamp gas' with no proof, or indeed any nearby swamps.

Anytime the mainstream media 'debunks' a UFO sighting with no proof, it's taken as fact. That's not science, that's spin.

That sounds a little fishy to me. Surely the best way to get in front of Congress and be taken seriously would be to reveal any verifiable "proof" to the world now.

"if you don't believe the canadian article i posted"

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Should they also believe the other articles on the front page of The Canadian? Some of the best stories are as follows:

"Has HIV-AIDS been created in laboratories funded by neo-conservative ideologues and "religious fascists"... "

"The Canadian Conservative party wants to allow the US to annexe Canada"

Testimony from "contactee" Adrian on which aliens make crop circles:
"Adrian testifies that alien races from the Andromeda Galaxy are one of the main extraterrestrial races most responsible for crop circles. He further makes representation from his reported alien contact with this Off-world civilization from the Andromeda Galaxy, that "the crop circles are intended both to inspire humans with the possibility of extraterrestrial communications, and to warn those of the consequences of their actions to control and manipulate humanity", which in part, takes the form of so-
called "Globalization". "

"Doctor alleges plans underway to "Microchip" Newborns in U.S. and Europe"

Not to mention several more stories about aliens. I think the crop circle one is the best in the way it manages to link aliens with anti-globalization campaigners but I guess everyone will have their own special favourite.

swears said:

How do you know they're trying to uncover information on alien space craft? Maybe it's something to do with dodgy black-ops, classified millitary technology, could be anything...

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This sounds infinitely more likely, and is a good example of REAL dodgy-dealings that Those In Power are often up to in one way or another.

IdleRich said:

Not to mention several more stories about aliens. I think the crop circle one is the best in the way it manages to link aliens with anti-globalization campaigners but I guess everyone will have their own special favourite.

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I once saw a xenomorph smash up a McDonalds.

Mr. Tea said:

This sounds infinitely more likely, and is a good example of REAL dodgy-dealings that Those In Power are often up to in one way or another.

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I think you should watch these testimonies. A lot of these Disclosure people are high ups and people "in power." And they are claiming this is all about black ops tech, tech that they say was reverse engineered from crashed UFOs. I'm all for Ockham's razor, and without these people coming forward this claim would have no basis, but their actions defy logic.

This is the problem with this subject, and why culturally it won't ever be taken seriously. Before even listening to the testimonies of these ex-astronauts and top CIA people who deserve to be taken seriously for at least a minute or two, it's perfectly okay to dismiss them and decide, based on an unrelated story on crop circles, that it is 'infinitely more likely' that some of the most knowledgable people in the gvt, space and defence industries are just all nuts.

Excellent. More great scientific analysis in the field of UFO research.