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Thread: Environmental Collapse: when and how bad?

  1. #166
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    Jul 2012
    On the bus


    Quote Originally Posted by droid View Post
    50/50. It depends on the choices we make.
    Would literally take an instant global change of habits which just isn't goin fro happen
    Took a rest stop that wasn't on the schedule

  2. #167
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    Jun 2006


    Has anyone else been following this story? Turns out scientists working for Exxon knew about the connection between atmospheric CO2 and the global climate more than 35 years ago, and even predicted pretty much bang on the money that average CO2 levels would reach 415 ppm by 2019, which they recently have.


    But of course they suppressed it, and became a leading player in the AGW-denial industry. It's depressing to think how much progress could have been made in that time if successful legal challenges had been made against what, even then, was unambiguously a campaign of disinformation which has endangered the entire planet to protect corporate profits.

    It's reminiscent of the way tobacco companies deliberately suppressed research on the health hazards and addiction potential of smoking, which resulted in some huge lawsuits being made against them and all sorts of laws in many countries requiring these companies to say essentially "this product might kill you" on the packaging, as well as restrictions on where you can smoke and so on. The trouble with the fossil fuel companies is that their potential victims are literally *everyone*, rather than an identifiable group of people suffering particular diseases. That said, there could be some hope in this approach, as some people are clearly much more vulnerable to the effects of climate change than others:

    A group of indigenous people from low-lying islands off the coast of Australia on Monday lodged an unprecedented complaint against the country's government, accusing it of insufficient action on climate change.

    The eight Torres Strait Islanders filed the complaint with the United Nations Human Rights Committee, claiming that rising sea levels were having a devastating effect on their communities.
    Around 4,500 people live on the Torres Strait Islands, a group of more than 270 islands lying between the north coast of Australia and Papua New Guinea. The complainants say their homes, burial grounds and cultural sites could disappear underwater in their lifetimes.
    Australia's failure to adequately address the problem was a breach of its human rights obligations to the islanders, they allege.
    Australia is a good place to start actually, not just because of their very visible and very disadvantaged indigenous communities but also because they're a particularly bad offender for GHG emissions - eighth-worst in the world a few years ago (in per-person terms).
    Last edited by Mr. Tea; 16-05-2019 at 07:11 PM.
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