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    Default Great 4x4 Garage

    ok so we had the great 2 step thread, and I thought it'd be good to have an accompanying thread about 4x4, UK or US.

    so, what are your tips? obscure or otherwise...
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    this is big

    Vibezin (United Vibes) Old School Special

    http://www.sendspace.com/file/8g158q

    R.I.P Productions - ? ?
    Greg Stainer / MJ Cole – Weakness
    Smokin’ Beats – Look Who’s Loving Me
    Leena Conquest – Boundaries
    Chris Mac – Set it Off
    Baffled Republic – Bad Boys
    R.I.P Productions – Players
    R.I.P Productions – The Rub
    Donna Dee – Clock the Dough (New Horizons Rmx)
    Ordinary People – Keep Your Love
    Dawn Tallman – New York City Girl (Karl Brown Dub)
    Anthill Mob – X2C
    Tuff Jam – Sweet Sensations
    Tuff Jam – Love R
    Tuff Jam – Key Dub
    R.I.P Productions – Burning Up
    Jeremy Sylvester – Crazy Dub
    Rocksteady – Breathless
    Hermit & Daniel Ward - Feel the Music
    HardDrive - Deep Inside
    New Horizons – Put Your Mouth on Me
    Paulo & Rodriguez – Barn Times
    ? ? - ? ?
    Darkstar - Saytar

    as is this...

    United Vibes - FourFour Special

    http://archive.subfm.com/UnitedVibes...Feb07SubFM.mp3

    Ramsey & Fen & MJ Cole - "Underground Explosion"
    Greg Stainer & MJ Cole - "Closer"
    Todd Edwards - “Steal U’re Heart”
    Sunship - “Sun Funk”
    Jason H & MJ Cole - "Control"
    24Hr Experience – “Jazz From the Heart”
    Todd Edwards - "Winter Behaviour"
    DJ $ki – “I Need You 98”
    DJ Speedy – “The Harder They Come”
    Tuff Jam - "Tumblin Down"
    Matt Jam Lamont- "Feel My Love"
    Dj $ki- “Do it : To – Nite”
    Daniel Ward & Hermit – “Step to it”
    Ant Hill Mob - "Player”
    Groove Chronciles - “Nobody But You”
    Smokin Beats - "Look Who's Lovin Me"
    Jason Kaye & Steve Gurley - "Set It Out"
    Rocksteady – “Watcha Gonna Do”
    Todd Edwards - "The Dream"
    R.I.P. – “Burning Up”
    R.I.P - "Obsessed"
    Jeremy Sylvester - "Stay"
    KMA - "Cape Fear"
    Tuff Jam - "Experience" (New Horizons Rmx)
    ? ? - ? ? (Duty Free)
    Jeremy Sylvester - "Crazy Dub"
    High Times - "Feel It"
    Ordinary People – “Baby You Make My Heart Sing”
    New Horizons - "Find The Path" (Tuff Jam mix)
    Tuff Jam - “Out of my Head 97”
    R.I.P – “Players”
    Groove Chronicles – “Voices”
    Louie Vega & Kenny Gonzalez – “No Cure”
    Anthill Mob - "X2C"
    NCA – Goodbye (Laurence Bagnall mix)
    Ordinary People - “Keep your Love”
    Big Bird – “Flav”
    Anthill Mob - “Enchanted Rhythm”
    ? ? - ? ? (G.O.D. 4)
    Dem 2 - "Beautiful People"
    Groove Chronciles - "Hold On"
    Smokin Beats - "Jazz House"
    Ordinary People - "I Need"

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    i love those UV mixes.

    how many distinct branches of 4x4 could we trace out? speed garage, early 2step-era 4x4 (kma, tuff jam, etc.), post-2step dark garage (narrows, sirus, wire...), grimey (dexplicit/dxp, more2dafloor), ... obv. there's a lot more too. oh and the UK-influenced north american stuff, most of which isn't released (but check cooper's transatlantic bass).

    does qualifide have a mix CD?
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    wouldnt Tuff Jam be speed garage? they started releasing in like 95 or something... but i dont really see what differentiates 4x4 and Speed anyways

    also very importantly US garage... and not just Todd Edwards, who as far as i can tell is something of an anomaly really (albeit a dominantly influential anomaly). but things like (some) Strictly Rhythm and Kerri Chandler and the artists who appeared on the first Locked On mix i think would also be central to any map of garage

    tbh the stuff im feeling most now is the harder end of speed garage, Tuff Jam basically! and obviously RIP/Double 99 and 187 Lockdown and the obvious ones. i'd like to hear some recommendations for stuff like that, although im doubtful as to how close anythings gonna get to Tuff Jam. Although the Hotpoint releases which Steve Gurley was involved in are pretty serious

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    Quote Originally Posted by elgato View Post
    wouldnt Tuff Jam be speed garage?
    That's actually the period I know the least about so I'd like to hear more.
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    Wasn't 'Speed' more of a media/major record compilation invention?

    I think the speed garage period was essentially part of the continuum that began with the DJ-led reinterpretation of US b-sides and early 4x4 UK productions.

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    Speed Garage was a term coined by Todd Terry referencing the playing of US Garage dub mixes at +8

    But it ended up being something else. The interpretation of house with jungle b lines by people like Tim and Omar, Armand Van Helden etc
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    thanx elgato

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    no problem man. united vibes are the ones to thank!

    another awesome one here...

    http://www.sendspace.com/file/hl3ud4

    Oris Jay on the Basement, 1Xtra, 2004

    Scott Garcia- Music Takes You (Buzz Bomb)
    Unknown- Unknown
    Big Bird- Flav (City Dub Traxx/ Nice ‘n’ Ripe)
    Livin Large ft Colonel Abrams- Love is what we need (unknown mix) (probably Nice ‘n’ Ripe)
    New Horizons- Find the Path (In your Mind) (Tuff Jam remix) (500 Rekords)
    Underground Distortion- Everythin’ is Large (Boom City/Satellite)
    4 Deep Connextion- Twisted Future (DFL)
    New Horizons- Inspiration (500 rekords)
    Colonel Abram- So Confused (The Bootleg) (Great Jones)
    New Horizons- It’s My House (bassline mix) (500 Rekords)
    Somore ft Damon Trueitt- I Refuse (What You Want) (Industry Standard Mix) (Locked On)
    Tuff Jam- Track No Name (Unda-Vybe)
    Mike Dunn presents the MD Express- God Made Me Phunky (various labels)
    Nu-Birth- Anytime (Locked On)

    courtesy of Owen Griffiths on dsf

    the two Tuff Jam tracks on that are ridiculous

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    I've got a DJ Mag article from 1996 when they were calling it 'Raggage.' I'll scan it if I get a chance.
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    safe for the link Nomos

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    Quote Originally Posted by elgato View Post
    also very importantly US garage... and not just Todd Edwards, who as far as i can tell is something of an anomaly really (albeit a dominantly influential anomaly). but things like (some) Strictly Rhythm and Kerri Chandler and the artists who appeared on the first Locked On mix i think would also be central to any map of garage
    Yush!
    Thanks for the link, been looking for that for ages

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    Speed Garage is a funny bugger. Many people hated it with a passion, but then you have other garage DJ's who were firmly in the mainstream but happily used the term. To make matters even more confusing it is sometimes used to describe a style within Garage- The kind of tracks that were the closest Garage came to Trance/Hard House. And stealing the Ray keith 'The Terrorist' bassline being a common theme.

    The most obvious producer I can think of for that style is Serious Danger, who churned out a shedload of remixes for 97-98 Locked On promo double pack 12's, none of which were deemed popular enough to make it onto the proper releases. But then tracks like Rip Groove and some of the 187 Lockdown ones like Gunman, and their remix of Boris D'Lugosh- 'hold your head up high', had a speed garage type bassline, but were firm favourites of the punters and the top DJ's, and probably managed to avoid the 'Speed' slur.

    The best place to hear this kind of sound would be http://www.amazon.co.uk/Speed-Garage...7517246&sr=8-3
    which can also be bought (ilegally) from the russian mp3hotfly.com site.

    Also
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Garage-Natio...7518405&sr=8-4
    has a few Speed tunes at the end. These 2 CD's were also rereleased as 101% Speed Garage Anthems

    The Speed thing doesnt exactly represent the best in the Garage scene, but it's harmless fun in small amounts

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    i have some mixes here

    http://hosted.filefront.com/brokenhomes

    have a gander

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    Quote Originally Posted by owengriffiths View Post
    Serious Danger
    Anyone remember 'Deeper'? That track was sick.

    I had a now lost Ministry magazine cover cd from late 96 or early 97 which had one of the ruffest garage DJ mixes I'ver ever heard...converted this young junglist to garage which in retrospect was a very important step.

    http://www.discogs.com/release/210422

    Wish I still had it...would up it like a shot.

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