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    Have we had a thread yet?

    I heard it the other day, and to my ears it's very weak indeed I feel. There's no Grime beats on there, essentially- although there is a Shy FX junglist collaboration, which sounds horrifically dated- it's all hip hop. Some of the lyrics are really vacuous, particularly one track which is called something like "Suck My Dick" or "You're A Cock" or something.

    Nevertheless, apart from Sirens, which I reckon is a pretty stonking track with it's metal/hip hop mosh beat, there's one other track on there which sounded really strong, almost in spite of itself. It's a track about how to get a record deal and make it big. Although it's presumably meant to be a self-celebratory anthem, it's got all these lines in there about "tone down the thug shit/tone down the drug shit" which are actually really poignant. It's as if he's had to bury his old self to attain this medium level of crossover success, you can almost hear him swallowing his pride as hit spits the lyric, but there's a taste of bile that remains.

    Strangeley poignant in the same way as "Flyin" from Showtime, which was an amazing track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diggedy Derek View Post
    It's as if he's had to bury his old self to attain this medium level of crossover success, you can almost hear him swallowing his pride as hit spits the lyric, but there's a taste of bile that remains.
    That's really sad. I've only heard a small amount and you've confirmed my fear that it was hip hop beats rather than grime. It's the same formula that's done oh so much for Sov (different scale, I know, but the same process of A&R fuckery). Presumably it's meant to help him get mixed into hip hop sets but it totally diffuses his flow. A year or so ago, he mentioned that the album would have some "real instruments" on it (*cringe*). Did that happen?

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    Strangely, his flow sounds pretty good sometimes, although there sounded like a lot of overdubbing on the album - ie not single takes. The problem for me is that the lyrics sound so vacuous, and the beats are boring.

    I thought there was gonna be a track called "Wastemen" on the album, which I heard ages ago and was waste, but it appears not to be on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diggedy Derek View Post
    there's one other track on there which sounded really strong, almost in spite of itself. It's a track about how to get a record deal and make it big. Although it's presumably meant to be a self-celebratory anthem, it's got all these lines in there about "tone down the thug shit/tone down the drug shit" which are actually really poignant..
    Strong back,
    Stern face,
    Play your position and know your place


    That's "Industry", isn't it? Not really supposed to be self-celebratory, I don't think. It's meant to be a set of guidelines for other artists, based on what he's learnt - how to deal with interviews, labels, gigs etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diggedy Derek View Post
    Strangely, his flow sounds pretty good sometimes, although there sounded like a lot of overdubbing on the album - ie not single takes. The problem for me is that the lyrics sound so vacuous, and the beats are boring.

    I thought there was gonna be a track called "Wastemen" on the album, which I heard ages ago and was waste, but it appears not to be on there.
    Yeah it was pretty poor i think. I have it if anyone wants to hear it.

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    I like sirens, or well, the first two thirds of it, the end is a bit stichk. I heard the industry a while ago and thought it was awful, boring flow, boring beats. I like dizzee flowing fast, his power seems somehow dissipated otherwise. I heard one other track, who's title eludes me, something about the manor that was pretty good I thought. It had a kind of weird synth line and the only beat was burial-esque knife sharpening sounds.

    I'm gonna keep an open mind, am hoping to be pleasantly suprised.

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    He's offering himself up as a sacrifice, isn't he? That's what the Sirens video is saying anyway, that he's the sacrifice so that more will come behind him. It's always hard being the first one through the gates.

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    just heard this this morning. it's not great, but i actually quite enjoyed it. track by track it's not impressive- going from the now rudimentary itchy, scratchy dizzee production to glossy but hollow bigger sounding tracks, and all with a strangely blocky, nursery rhyme flow.

    but as an album as a whole, i think it kind of works, or at least comes close to working; it's got an energy and urgency, and perhaps a poppiness, to it that makes you want to listen to it again (which i didn't really get with 'showtime'). when you compare it to Boy In Da Corner, though, it doesn't stand up well at all. it's a fun listen, but it's not something that stays with you like BIDC did.

    and there is no excuse for the shy fx track on there. it sounds like it was made in about 15 minutes. and not in a good way. autpilot bizznizz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistersloane View Post
    He's offering himself up as a sacrifice, isn't he? That's what the Sirens video is saying anyway, that he's the sacrifice so that more will come behind him. It's always hard being the first one through the gates.
    that's what it may mean...of course! why didn't I get that? I'm losin it lol...anyway

    that doesn't excuse the poor flows and complete departure to a odd slightly dated hip-hop sound does it? but as long as he's doin' what he WANTS to do and not what a manager and a+r say then I'm geniunely (bad spelling) happy for him

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    How come some of you have heard it already ? Are you journalists that have recieved promos ?

    And viktorvaughn I would appreciate it if you could upload that track I've never actually heard it ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gullyskengman View Post
    How come some of you have heard it already ? Are you journalists that have recieved promos ?

    And viktorvaughn I would appreciate it if you could upload that track I've never actually heard it ...
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    http://download.yousendit.com/A405383964070E58

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    has this leaked then? if someone could possibly inbox me a link i would be very grateful.

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    Fuck this, I think I've got an 'Letter To Dizzee' of my own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gumdrops View Post
    has this leaked then?
    ???????????

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    On thursday June 14th, Dizzee Rascal presents Dirtee Stank at KOKO in London. The night will feature performances from DJ Tubby, Newham Generals and Dizzee Rascal, who will be playing brand new material from his forthcoming third album "Maths & English." The album is due for release on monday June 4th, preceded by the single "Sirens" on monday 21st May. If you haven't already seen it, check out the video below:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=jsjFMw5tESY

    Dizzee will also be taking the Dirtee Stank tour around the UK and will be playing at the following venues:

    Friday 25th May - Plymouth University
    Saturday 26th May - Falmouth Stannary (University of Exeter)
    Friday 1st June - Edinburgh Liquid Rooms
    Saturday 2nd June - Sheffield Plug
    Thursday 14th June - London KOKO
    Thursday 21st June - Cambridge Junction
    Friday 22nd June - Brighton Concorde 2

    In the lead up to the release of the single and album, you can catch Dizzee in action on the following TV shows, starting tonight.

    Friday 11th May - Later With Jools Holland - 23.35 BBC2
    He performs "Excuse Me Please" exclusive - as never before or will ever be seen again. Features Winston Blissett of Massive Attack on bass and Dave Hirscheimer AKA Satan from UK metal band Fuckshovel on drums.

    Saturday 12th May - Popworld - Channel 4 - 10.30am
    Interview.

    Friday 18th May - Transmission With T Mobile - Channel 4 - 23.40
    Performance of "Sirens."

    Saturday 26th May - Popworld - Channel 4 - 10.30am
    Performance of "Sirens."

    Saturday June 2nd - Culture Show - BBC2 - 7.10pm
    Performance of "Bubbles" and interview.

    Sunday June 3rd - Dizzee Rascal 45 Minute Documentary - Channel 4 - 12 midnight
    Last edited by gumdrops; 09-06-2011 at 09:13 AM.

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