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    Default xenakis

    would i be right in thinking that Electro-Acoustic Works on nonesuch for $12 -- 7 quid at current exchange rates -- is a bargain?

    or is it Electronic Works that's the tres desirable one?

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    i don't have that one but $12 for a new xenakis cd sounds like a bargain

    "Electronic Works" is great and so is "La Legend D'eer"

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    If it's the 'electro -acoustic works ' that has pieces partially made by mic'ing up burning charcoal
    that's pretty great stuff.
    Is "Bohor" is one of the pieces ?

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    the EMF 'electronic music' CD contains the entirety of the 'electro-acoustic music' LP, plus additional nice music

    I've never heard the original LP, but a friend who has says that it sounds remarkably different, especially the low end on 'Bohor'. I'm definitely looking to buy a copy to compare, those are some of my favorite pieces of his.

    The other two must own electronic pieces: 'Legend D'eer' and 'Persepolis'. There are three or four very different mixes of 'Persepolis', my favorite is on my the two disc 'Iannis Xenakis' set on Edition RZ, which is also has a _great_ selection of orchestral works.

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    Default pricing with electroacoustic and classical avant-classical

    it's the vinyl original on Nonesuch, Electro-Acoustic Works

    the pieces are:
    diamorphoses II/bohor 1/concret ph II/orient-occident III

    sounded good in the store, but the 12 buck price tag seemed oddly low

    hey, anyone know if there are like diamorphoses I, orient-occident 1 and II, conceret ph I, bohor 2, 3,4 etc?

    at the risk of inundation/system overload, some further questions for the avant-classical massif:

    1/ certain records go real cheap i've found -- certain Varese albums, Cage's HPSCHD (nonesuch) -- whereas certain titles by stockhausen or xenakis are selling for 50 dollars plus in Other Music, up on the wall.

    is that cos they printed a lot at the time, or cos they're bad (the cage one is horrible) ?

    2/ what do we think of luigi nono? he seems kinda interesting, political avant-classical, rabid communist right? he's another one i've picked up lots of bits reasonably priced

    3/ what about Morton Subotnik after Silver Apples and Wild Bulls he's got a shit load of stuff in the 80s, that goes quite cheap i've noticed

    4/ what do we reckon on Meredith Monk then?

    5/ Robert Ashley?

    6/ Annea Lockwood?

    7/ charles wuorinen?

    8/ okay, finally, doesn anyone actually enjoy the stuff on that label CTI (is that right? you know the one i mean, any road, peter maxwell davies up the wazoo). Cos that stuff goes for like 4 dollars a pop, the only thing lower on the desirability front is Eastern Bloc post=war composers.... i quite like the covers but stuff that's avant but uses conventional orchestras seems like the worst of both worlds, somehow

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    Meredith Monk's 'Gotham Lullaby', as championed by Bjork, is magical.

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    Ashley's "wolfman", reissued recently, is a monster. harsh noise, basically

    this doesn't answer your question in any way, but the best electroacoustic music i've heard is done by Bernard Parmegiani and Francois Bayle- i would buy anything by those guys on sight

    when i was in Tucson, Arizona i scored a copy of a Bayle LP on Phillips- shiny silver series. $5. cover in mint condition, vinyl not much better than a frisbee. i bought it for the cover, really...

    this Tucson store had lots of electroacoustic LPs- but they were priced by how well the composers are known- so Stockhausen and Cage LPs were all $30 to $50

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    'Legend D'eer' and 'Persepolis' are lush, you used to be able to get this kinda stuff at http://www.theserecords.com/files/mointro.html in the uk but they closed down, starting up again in some other form i think. xenakis is superior to stockie i think
    anyone heard todd dockstader?

    parmegiani - de natura sonorum is ace. you know he wrote the jingle for charles de gaulle airport?

    curtis roads out of the moderns is lush too

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    Quote Originally Posted by mms
    anyone heard todd dockstader?
    oh yes! genius- the two reissue CDs that seem to go in and out of print have tons of goodness

    parmegiani - de natura sonorum is ace. you know he wrote the jingle for charles de gaulle airport?
    no i did not know that!

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    dude - if you don't own Electro-Acoustic Works on vinyl - BUY IT !

    CLASSIC !!! BRUTAL AMBIENT !!!

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    I remember hearing some Parmegiani records bk in the 1980's
    glad the thread came round to him .
    One of the greats ...

    Snap up that Xenakis B
    they don't make like him anymore , either .

    While some of this music you can't listen to all the time, or in any situation
    if you don't know it or haven't heard it /checked it ,
    you miss out on some of the building blocks of now

    Xenakis RIP , architect of sound indeed

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    Quote Originally Posted by blissblogger
    it's the vinyl original on Nonesuch, Electro-Acoustic Works

    the pieces are:
    diamorphoses II/bohor 1/concret ph II/orient-occident III
    you need this simon - and $12 does seem rather cheap - I never see Xenakis on vinyl.

    hey, anyone know if there are like diamorphoses I, orient-occident 1 and II, conceret ph I, bohor 2, 3,4 etc?
    Yeah - Orient-Occident I was from 1960 whereas III is 1968 - Diamorphoses I is from 1957, II from '68... As far as Bohor goes I know there are 8- and 4-channel tape versions so maybe that's Bohor I/II - not sure of that one though. Concret PH I from 1958, II in '68. Does anyone know why Xenakis versioned all these works in '68?

    1/ certain records go real cheap i've found -- certain Varese albums, Cage's HPSCHD (nonesuch) -- whereas certain titles by stockhausen or xenakis are selling for 50 dollars plus in Other Music, up on the wall.

    is that cos they printed a lot at the time, or cos they're bad (the cage one is horrible) ?
    Couldn't answer this one beyond agreeing that HPSCHD is pretty bad, the Varese LPs are always a good listen tho'. Maybe it's to do with demand. Stockhausen vinyl is always hugely expensive these days (slaps self on head for not buying them 10 years ago when I saw 12 Stocky records for $10 ea.)

    5/ Robert Ashley?
    The Automatic Writing CD on Lovely (I think) is one of my favourite av-classical discs - the title piece an all-time classic. I sometimes enjoy Ashley's 'operas', but often struggle with them. Perfect Lives is a bit of a hard one to get through at times. Still, I think that, along with David Behrman (whose On the Other Ocean is one of my favourite pieces of music ever) he's the best of the 'Sonic Arts Union' (Alvin Lucier runs a close third.)

    6/ Annea Lockwood?
    Sound Map of the Hudson River absolutely lovely.

    If you're dead keen on getting more Xenakis I always point people to La Legende d'Eer and Kraanerg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mms
    anyone heard todd dockstader?
    The CD which has both Water Music and Quatermass is really worth it.

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    Default xenakis kicks ass!!!

    Simon that LP/CD it's a mastepiece, really, I just used to listen to it together with Aphex SAW II for some reason they seemed like the soundreams of hidden chemical reactions (...uh??)

    I used to have a cdrom copy of the EMF CD of which this is the tracklist:

    Xenakis: Electronic Music - Electronic Music Foundation EMF CD 003 (1997)

    Diamorphoses (1957) - electroacoustic tape
    Concret PH (1958) - electroacoustic tape
    Orient-Occident (1960) - electroacoustic tape
    Bohor (1962) - electroacoustic tape
    Hibiki-Hana-Ma (1970) - electroacoustic tape
    S.709 (1994) - electroacoustic tape


    for what I know doesn't exist different versions of those tracks or other tracks with same title different numbers on others issued LPs or CDs (bad sound masterization of the CDs apart), so my theory is that actually the number on the tracks, which i didn't notice at all on my friends CD (neither is present on the tracklist above that i cut and past from a Xenakis site, see later), but you noticed on the original vinyl, can be Xenakis referring to the sessions takes, like "concrete pH, take 2". My theory (if i'm wrong please someone tell me!!).

    Concrete pH is one of my favorite pieces ever and I have also in some anthology, always referred as "concrete pH" with no number added and no mention of other versions.

    This seems confirmed by this site i checked:
    http://www.iema.culture.gr/xenakis/index_en.html
    which also have sound sample of the pieces.

    About why some vinyls cost low and other high it's a mystery to me now; unluckily it's years that i buy only CDs not having a record player plus stereo at hand while living from home to home. About Nono the final Opera "Prometheus" maybe you have not listened too, since it came only on double Cd, if interested in a copy let me know (I have this with me luckily, while the main part of my cd/vinyl collection is 1.500 km away from there!!)

    Meredith Monk i used to didn't like, but maybe listened to the wrong records (the ones on ECM) and it was so long ago that most i forgot how it sounded and now i'm curious to know more and when possible listen to something more.

    ciao da francesco

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    Quote Originally Posted by francesco
    My theory (if i'm wrong please someone tell me!!).
    I was totally wrong, thanks JWD for the info!
    Where did you get it?

    SO the EMF CD I listened and the '68 LP on Nonesuch are different versions. Remixes?


    ciao da francesco
    Last edited by francesco; 20-01-2005 at 11:28 PM.

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