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    Quote Originally Posted by Drowned in Tea
    "The Jews act just like Nazis towards the Palestinians, which is kinda funny when you think about it, since the Nazis tried to kill all the Jews"
    The problem in Israel-Palestine is that of Zionism, not Judaism [just as the problem in Germany was Nazism, not Christianity].


    "Hitler's legal power was based upon the 'Enabling Act', which was passed quite legally by the Reichstag and which allowed the Fuehrer and his representatives, in plain language, to be what they wanted, or in legal language, to issue regulations having the force of law. Exactly the same type of act was passed by the Knesset [Israeli's Parliament] immediately after the 1067 conquest granting the Israeli governor and his representatives the power of Hitler, which they use in Hitlerian manner."

    - Dr. Israel Shahak, Chairperson of the Israeli League for Human and Civil Rights, and a survivor of the Bergen Belsen concentration camp, Commenting on the Israeli military's Emergency Regulations following the 1967 War. Palestine, vol. 12, December 1983.


    "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."

    - Israeli Prime Minister, Yitzhak Shamir, in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988


    "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours."

    - Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot
    13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.


    "When we [followers of the prophetic Judaism] returned to Palestine...the majority of Jewish people preferred to learn from Hitler rather than from us."

    - Martin Buber, to a New York audience, Jewish Newsletter, June 2, 1958.


    "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our time is the emergence in the newly created State of Israel of the Freedom Party (Herut), a political party closely akin in its organization, method, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties."

    [Begin and Yitzhak Shamir, who were members of the party, became Prime Ministers.]

    - Albert Einstein, Hanna Arendt and other prominent Jewish Americans, writing in The New York Times, protest the visit to America of Menachem Begin, December 1948.


    "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly."

    - Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.


    "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves."

    - Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the
    mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.


    "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said ‘Drive them out’

    - Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.


    "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."

    - Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"


    “We must expel Arabs and take their places."

    - David Ben Gurion, future Prime Minister of Israel, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine
    Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.


    "Zionist colonization must either be terminated or carried out against the wishes of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, be continued and make progress only under the protection of a power independent of the native population - an iron wall,
    which will be in a position to resist the pressure to the native population. This is our policy towards the Arabs... Zionism is a colonization adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force. It is important... to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot - or else I am through with playing at colonizing.""

    - Vladimir Jabotinsky, founder of Revisionist Zionism (precursor to Likud), The Iron Wall, 1923.


    " It lies upon the people's shoulders to prepare for the war, but it lies upon the Israeli army to carry out the fight with the ultimate object of erecting the Israeli Empire."

    - Moshe Dayan (Israel Defense and Foreign Minister), on February 12 1952. Radio "Israel."


    "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis;
    and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."

    - Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.


    "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a
    certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no
    Zionism, colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."

    - Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.


    "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed."

    - Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969


    " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs."

    - Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.


    "Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world
    attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the
    territories."

    - Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of
    Israel, tells students at Bar Ilan University, From the Israeli journal Hotam, November
    24, 1989.


    "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the
    settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab
    will go to them."

    - Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the
    extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.


    "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."

    - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.


    One of the most enduring and deceptive slogans of Zionism was coined by Israel Zangwill almost 100 years ago: Palestine was a "land without people for a people without land."

    After paying a visit to Palestine in 1891, the Hebrew essayist Achad Ha-Am commented:
    " Abroad we are accustomed to believe that Israel is almost empty; nothing is grown here and that whoever wishes to buy land could come here and buy what his heart desires. In reality, the situation is not like this. Throughout the country it is difficult to find cultivable land which is not already cultivated."

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    Quote Originally Posted by hundredmillionlifetimes View Post
    This is a political issue, not a spurious exercise in "communicating feelings"; that is an ideological variation on "yes, we're all for change, just so long as we don't actually have to change anything."
    OK fair enough, but will this boycott genuinely force change on anyone? I don't really understand the difference between communicating something and `political issues.'

    The best way would be for comprehensive sanctions to be immediately implemented, but in their absence you would here prefer to nit-pick about irrelevant trivia for purposes of avoiding all change, of rationalising the perpetuation of the status quo, of opposing and talking down all efforts at genuine change in Israel-Palestine.
    Yes. I don't personallly have the power to implement sanctions on anyone. But who brought in this trivia? I guess I will stop nitpicking though.

    Israeli academics critical of the Zionist agenda and current Israeli policies and practices fully support the boycott.
    Just out of curiosity, should we read this as `all' or `some'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Tea View Post
    YES THANKYOU HMLT WE ARE AWARE THAT ISRAEL DOES BAD STUFF TO PEOPLE.
    i think this was unnecessary. it is also implicitly a call for de-intensification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hundredmillionlifetimes View Post
    ASIDE (A Long Overdue Vicious Rant - And Warning)

    [ Once again, Teatroll, FUCK OFF out of this forum ...

    ... you were given months of opportunity and leeway to end your persecutary, offensive and personally abusive trolling here but instead have continued on regardless. Not any more: now come the fucking fireworks, asshole. So now let's just see you handle the very real consequences of your irresponsible behaviour on (and where it becomes necessary, off) this forum, along with the little clique of loser piss-artists you associate with here ...

    HA HA HA!!!

    ................ HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

    .................................... This is going to be such FUN!!!!]
    hml, have you any idea how childish this sounds? are you intent on exploring the issue of boycotting zionism or not?

    i'm closing this thread temporarily.

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    open again

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    A voice from the other side (worth reading in full):

    From the hellish to the ridiculous, the pattern is the same. Back at home, the Universities and Colleges Union has just voted for its members to "consider the moral implications of existing and proposed links with Israeli academic institutions".

    Well, they could consider how work by scientists at the Technion in Haifa has led to the production of the drug Velcade, which treats multiple myeloma. Or they could look at the professor at Ben-Gurion University who discovered a bacteria that fights malaria and river blindness by killing mosquitoes and black fly.

    Or they could study the co-operation between researchers at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, who have isolated the protein that triggers stress in order to try to treat post-traumatic stress disorder, and their equivalents at the Medical Research Council Laboratory of Molecular Biology in Cambridge.

    The main universities of Israel are, in fact, everything that we in the West would recognise as proper universities. They have intellectual freedom. They do not require an ethnic or religious qualification for entry. They are not controlled by the government. They have world-class standards of research, often producing discoveries which benefit all humanity. In all this, they are virtually unique in the Middle East.
    - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m.../02/do0201.xml

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    " ... calls for boycotting Coca-Cola (not that there might not be other good reasons for doing this, but anyway) from anti-Zionist campagners, seemingly unaware of (or apathic towards) the fact that Coca-Cola is one of the biggest employers of Palestinians in the region."

    Oh janey mack! What an outrageous oversight by such ignorant, "apathic" anti-Zionists!

    Better call off the sanctions against Iran immediately: it's Coca-Cola plants there employ bucketfulls of anti-regime Iranians!

    Better time travel and call off World War II: Coca-Cola's plants in Germany "employed" many Jews! [During World War II, Coca-Cola adopted an apparent policy of ignoring the practice of eugenics and anti-Semitism by Nazi Germany, while a number of Coke's senior executives in Germany were prominent members of the National Socialist German Workers Party.]

    And better urgently call off the present international boycott of Coca-Cola products that directly resulted from the bottling company having hired paramilitary mercenaries to intimidate, kidnap, and assassinate workers and union leaders at its plants in Columbia in order to force down wages: the employees who haven't yet been so intimidated, kidnapped or assassinated might lose their jobs!

    [In Perfect Harmony: In 2002, Coca-Cola, in return for millions of dollars in tax breaks from the Israeli government, build a new plant on land stolen from the Palestinians. The new plant employs around 700 Israelis. Coca-Cola Israel sponsers "training programmes" for its workers from the immigrant communities, especially from the former Soviet Union, who have not been brought up to speed in the zionist "culture" and who "often have difficulty integrating". The subject matter of the program includes the Israeli-Arab conflict. The workers attend weekly meetings where participants have to read and analyze texts. The organisation running the program, Meitar, is also funded by the Jewish Agency, and the Israeli Ministries of Education and Absorption. Things Go Better With Coke!]

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    In more perfect timing...

    http://leninology.blogspot.com/2007/...ion-again.html

    Coca Cola and gum arabic in Sudan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gek-opel View Post
    In more perfect timing...

    http://leninology.blogspot.com/2007/...ion-again.html

    Coca Cola and gum arabic in Sudan.
    Yes, Coca-Cola provides another excellent example of how Capital has become the master Universal Equivalent, the symbolic real underlying all discourse, effortlessly adjusting, appropriating, swallowing, and replicating everything in its path [mind you, BritArt philistine Hirst (TM) and his DeBeers merchandising stunt - better to promote diamonds (as Sacred Art) in an art gallery than in a boring jewellers any day - is in the same ball alley, especially with precious stones and metals being such a "smart" investment as bubble currencies nosedive]. I'm reminded of that old joke about the founder of Kentucky Fried Chicken (KFC), who, when quized about his opinion on African-Americans, responded with the question, "Do they like chicken?", a contemporary version of which would be asking Ryanair's chief executive, Michael O'Leary, what he thinks about Al Qaeda: "Do they like air travel?"

    And in even more perfect synchronicity, Alan Dershowitz, the Harvard law professor referred to earlier in this thread who is intent on destroying Normal Finkelstein's academic career, strikes again: he has just threatened to wage a legal war against British academics who seek to cut links with Israeli universities (Harvard legal expert vows to sue lecturers boycotting Israel).

    "I will obtain legislation dealing with this issue, imposing sanctions that will devastate and bankrupt those who seek to impose bankruptcy on Israeli academics," he told the Times Higher Education Supplement.

    Very sporting of him (I wonder did he try this approach when he was an O. J. Simpson trial lawyer?). And Israel too, which has retaliated by threatening a British boycott: Israel's parliament is to debate a draft law today that could lead to a consumer boycott of all British goods, again surpassed in acting-out knee-jerk superiority by a proclamation by the former Chief Rabbi of Israel that it should "carpet bomb Gaza", just a few days after a U.N. human rights investigator criticised Israel for violating international law in the Gaza Strip through a "disproportionate" use of force and killing of civilians.

    I'm dizzy. And now Amnesty International enters the fray with a just-published 45-page report, Enduring Occupation: Palestinians under siege in the West Bank, which sumarises the devastating impact of four decades of Israeli military occupation, and then marking the 40 years since the outbreak of the 1967 Middle East war with a call for Israel to dismantle West Bank settlements and roadblocks, for the Palestinians to end attacks on Israeli civilians and for the international community to monitor both sides, ie what practically every country on the planet has been repeatedly calling for throughout those four very same decades.

    But I'm sure the World Bank and the IMF will think of something ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gek-opel View Post
    In more perfect timing...

    http://leninology.blogspot.com/2007/...ion-again.html

    Coca Cola and gum arabic in Sudan.
    I notice the Hezbollah flag has been removed from Lenin's Tomb. Has he had a change of heart, or has it been removed because Hezbollah are not in the news as much at the moment?

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    Well said that man:

    Recently Prof. Steven Weinberg of the University of Texas, a Nobel Prize winner in physics, canceled a speaking engagement at Imperial College in London. He said, referring to the move to boycott Israel by Britain’s National Union of Journalists, that “given the history of the attacks on Israel and the oppressiveness and aggressiveness of other countries in the Middle East and elsewhere, boycotting Israel indicate[s] a moral blindness for which it is hard to find any explanation other than anti-Semitism.”

    The UCU resolution, however, states that “passivity or neutrality is unacceptable and criticism of Israel cannot be construed as anti-semitic.”

    No, perish the thought. Apart from the evasive use of “criticism”—what is at stake is not criticism, but boycotts—it is of course not anti-Semitic to make Israel the sole and obsessive focus of efforts at condemnation and excommunication by academics, journalists, doctors, architects, clergy, and ordinary workers at a time of ongoing genocide in Sudan and constant severe human rights abuses in the likes of Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and the Palestinian Authority itself—to go no further than the Muslim Middle East.

    It is not anti-Semitism, it is just that the Jews, in their not-quite sixty years of statehood after two millennia of dispersion, have managed to create the world’s most evil society and the only one so repugnant that even its academics need to be silenced and ostracized. It is not anti-Semitism, it is just that all the problems of Arab and Muslim aggression the world over stem from that one primal sin of “Israeli occupation”; just that the Jews have somehow once again managed to poison the wells and be at the root of all evil.
    - http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Rea...e.asp?ID=28628

    How is it that Israel has managed to make such a mess of the Middle East? I mean, we are regualrly told that all the conflicts involving that region originate in the Israel-Palestine conflict, that that conflict is the main cause of friction between East and West (e.g. the Palestinian PM in yesterday's Guardian) and that without its resolution there will be no peace in the Middle East. Israel has caused such freakish levels of havok given its relatively small size and youth, that there must be an explanation which addresses the uniquely disproportionate mess Israel has created.

    [Oh and btw, Dershowitz was appellate advisor for Simpson and the trial never actually went to appeal.]
    Last edited by vimothy; 07-06-2007 at 12:24 PM.

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    This forum's most pro-tyrant "Jews are Evil" nutter:

    ...the Zionist, Apartheid state of Israel continues...
    Anyone who points to the fact that Israel is a terrorist, apartheid state which occupies Palestinian land against the will of the indigenous people, ignores UN resolutions, flouts international law, persecutes minorities, stockpiles huge arsenals of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons, systematically tortures political prisoners, disregards the Geneva conventions, invades neighboring countries killing thousands of innocent men, women and children, along with reporting its more recent attacks on Gaza and the open kidnapping of Palestinian ministers, and the US-Israeli financed and armed 'civil war', is immediately accused of being anti-Semitic (this is so tiresome that by now it is as dispicable and as comparable as Nazis accusing those who were critical of German fascism of being "anti-Aryan racists").
    It is a slur that is only advanced by Zionists and their defenders (and which only serves to delight actual neo-fascist anti-semites, which is hardly surprising given the close historical collaboration between Zionists and Nazis before and during WWII).
    It's not anti-semitic to criticise Israel, or to compare it to rascist regimes like South Africa, or even to the totalitarians like the Nazis. After all comparing Israel to the Nazis comes easy to a lot of people - and so many people couldn't possibly be anti-semitic - it practically leaps off one's tongue with a flourish. "The Nazis dehumanised and murdered the Jews, so the Jews have done the same to the Palestinains." It's all so simple.
    Jews = Nazis, Nazis = Jews, nya-nya
    Killing people is what Jews do best. And they've been doing it for years, right?
    Zionists helped the Nazis, naturally, because Nazism is ultimately an extension of Zionism.
    The problems and struggles of the Middle East (inc events like 9/11) find their origins in the actions of the Israeli state, and no solution to the Middle East's problems is possible without Israel's destruction.
    Etceterra....

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    “As late as 1941, the Zionist group LEHI, one of whose leaders, Yitzhak
    Shamir, was later to become a prime minister of Israel, approached the Nazis,
    using the name of its parent organization, the Irgun (NMO)…[Their proposal
    stated:] ‘The establishment of the historical Jewish state on a national and
    totalitarian basis and bound by a treaty with the German Reich would be in
    the interests of strengthening the future German nation of power in the Near
    East… The NMO in Palestine offers to take an active part in the war on
    Germany’s side’….The Nazis rejected this proposal for an alliance because, it
    is reported, they considered LEHI’s military power ‘negligable.’ ” Allan
    Brownfield, “The Washington Report on Middle Eastern Affairs”, July/August 1998.
    Lehi did contact the Nazis, believing as they did that the Nazis were only anti-semites (true of many nations at that time) not enemies of Israel (like the British). Contact was made by the group with a german official in Beruit, January, 1941. That's 1941. Get it? Good.

    Also, Lehi (surely your ideological fellows, hmlt) was a very small organisation, numbering les than one hunderd men. It did not represent the more mainstream Irgun, who sided with the British to fight the Nazis, whose members fought in the Jewish Brigade, among other units, and assisted the Allies in Eastern Europe, the Middle East and North Africa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gek-opel View Post
    In more perfect timing...

    http://leninology.blogspot.com/2007/...ion-again.html

    Coca Cola and gum arabic in Sudan.
    Honest question: Are there actually any good left wing sites or blogs that are not hysterical pomo apologists for fascism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hundredmillionlifetimes View Post
    " ... calls for boycotting Coca-Cola (not that there might not be other good reasons for doing this, but anyway) ....
    *sigh*

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