mistersloane
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Alot of the discussions on this thread centre around speciesism, which was big in the 70s and among the fore of early animal rights literature, some of which can be deemed utterly utterly mad and some of which is wicked, but I like all that utopian 70s literature. Wikipedia is a good entrance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism
In my view the ontological premis of the question is flawed cos, y'know, objective? But if you must, it seems to be that tense ( ie past, present, future ) seems to be a sticking point, and argujing point for human difference, which is based on all them rainforest and Papua tribes who have an utterly, utterly different idea of the future ( i.e it is in what we would call our past ) from the present view, and have difficulties imagining anything else, thus this is placed onto animals, with regard some idea of evolution.
Me? I think it's blatantly obvious that there's very little difference between mankind and everything else and that's been the major problem, some sort of 'we can eat them, therefore we're superior' type of thing, instead of the 'eat it cos I can catch it or it's there' attitude seemingly displayed by other animals. As far as I can tell though it's still really very much just about differing opinions, as we're not nearly smart enough to understand any other species. All our problems started when we stopped doing hallucinogens every week.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism
In my view the ontological premis of the question is flawed cos, y'know, objective? But if you must, it seems to be that tense ( ie past, present, future ) seems to be a sticking point, and argujing point for human difference, which is based on all them rainforest and Papua tribes who have an utterly, utterly different idea of the future ( i.e it is in what we would call our past ) from the present view, and have difficulties imagining anything else, thus this is placed onto animals, with regard some idea of evolution.
Me? I think it's blatantly obvious that there's very little difference between mankind and everything else and that's been the major problem, some sort of 'we can eat them, therefore we're superior' type of thing, instead of the 'eat it cos I can catch it or it's there' attitude seemingly displayed by other animals. As far as I can tell though it's still really very much just about differing opinions, as we're not nearly smart enough to understand any other species. All our problems started when we stopped doing hallucinogens every week.
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