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    What do people make of this? I read a small article about two years ago but I've just read the revised text and a few things struck me:

    1. I knew most of that info and I live miles away, how comes it took so long
    2. It's a very painful read, repeats himself over and over
    3. The personal insults and I heard it from a friend shit in there would make the Sun proud
    4. Does anyone care?
    Last edited by Martin Dust; 23-07-2007 at 07:13 PM. Reason: Knackers error in the title, Jon can you sort that?

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    i like Stewart Home. link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noah Baby Food View Post
    i like Stewart Home. link?
    So do I...

    http://www.stewarthomesociety.org/wakeford.html

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    Bloody hell, have just read all that, and loads of other stuff surrounding this. Hmmm. Have never actually listened to any DIJ, didn't know anything about them other than they were post-punk grey trenchcoat kinda cats who flirted with fascist imagery. It's all quite interesting though, I like the background about all these dysfunctional types. Home gets stuck right in doesn't he? Loads of juicy info. I love reading about these deviants...anecdotal stuff about the state of Wakeford's bathroom etc. Paints a picture of some right spackers, doesn't it? And the stuff about Boyd Rice. Again, don't know loads about him, but the nazi stuff's not so good is it, really? Flirting with fascist imagery is the ultimate post-WW2 spoilt-kid indulgence, innit?

    With a lot of this stuff, and I suppose it has always been the case with factionalised 'underground' left or right politics, and the associated musical forms, we're really talking about, oooh, maybe DOZENS of people, tops? I dunno. A lot of chat over very little action? What's yr opinion?

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    I just find this on a bit unbalanced, more like he's got a personal gripe against Tony, which I think takes something away from what he writing about.

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    It reads like a personal gripe, with all of the uncontained anger and badly phrased and badly written stuff that just makes anyone trying to sort out the wheat from the chaff ( odinist pun intended ) even more confused, if he's gonna write that stuff then he should sort out his grammar a little more I think.

    I've had personal dealings with most of the people mentioned and have my own thoughts, but kinda prefer not to go there anymore really, y'know? It's really nothing to do with me, I'm the generation under them.

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    I think it's fair to say that Stewart does have a personal grudge against Wakeford. This is hardly surprising given the amount of lieing Wakeford has done to cover his tracks - and the amount of shit Stewart got for writing a foreword to his lyrics book in good faith.

    Perhaps it could be better written (I think the Death In June piece is better).

    And perhaps some people knew it all along (I certainly didn't know all of it - for example I'd heard about the Boyd Rice interview but not actually seen it).

    But there it is, warts and all, for everyone to see, add to, or criticise.

    For me it seems like a step away from the 'nudge nudge' bollocks fans and "anti-fascists" alike get so excited about - purely by dint of it being made public.
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    I wish the England's Hidden Reverse book had talked about it more and better so it could all finally be put to bed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistersloane View Post
    I wish the England's Hidden Reverse book had talked about it more and better so it could all finally be put to bed.
    I think the author of the book wished that as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john eden View Post
    and the amount of shit Stewart got for writing a foreword to his lyrics book in good faith.
    That explains a lot then, his style is usually more concise and clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john eden View Post
    I think the author of the book wished that as well.
    Any idea why it didn't happen Mr. Eden? Surely most people are aware of the right-hand leanings of this merry crew, it's not like you invite David Myatt round for a cup of tea is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin Dust View Post
    Any idea why it didn't happen Mr. Eden? Surely most people are aware of the right-hand leanings of this merry crew, it's not like you invite David Myatt round for a cup of tea is it?
    "I heard it from a friend". What I heard might be bollocks, tho.

    (My only contact with the author was about the spanner trial, iirc)

    I think most people are aware that there is a certain dodginess involved, yes.

    But I think there is a kind of attempt to dress it all up as wildly intellectual or visionary rather than basically being sub-Alf Garnett nonsense with added political violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john eden View Post
    being sub-Alf Garnett nonsense with added
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    Quote Originally Posted by john eden View Post
    I think the author of the book wished that as well.
    That's really good to know anyway cos I was involved with that lot at the HH and when it came out, I was like, finally I can just say 'read the fuckin book' rather than have to answer the 'are they really fascists?' thing...and then I read it, and I think you could hear my cry of anguish bouncing off walls in London for weeks. It's nice to know he tried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john eden View Post
    But I think there is a kind of attempt to dress it all up as wildly intellectual or visionary rather than basically being sub-Alf Garnett nonsense with added political violence.

    True enough but the cupboard was bare, DIJ always bring Discharge to mind, and boy did they have nothing to say.

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